Sir Rupert A Kettle - his mother's name please

[LaytonLily]

Thank you Millmoor.    The dates appear to be correct - his wife Mary was born 1778.  I have sent for her death certificate which looks to be 1852 and it might just give an indication of a son registering the details which might just lead me to Ruper Alfred and his siblings ! 

I have the details of Louise Alexander's birth  - and the other details of children born to Thomas and Mary Kettle  -  who appears to be the brother of  Rupert Alfred and it is most likely the Thomas and Mary are 'my' Thomas and Mary (Twist) Kettle but I am just being very cautious in presuming they are .  I am just wanting something to confirm it, to join the dots.

I wonder if anyone can find Mary Kettle and and any children on the 1841 census - though of course 'children' would be adults.     I thought I would try and look on FindMyPast because you can search on address presumably and it is most likely to be Suffolk Street.

[Millmoor]

Hi
1841 has a Mary Kettle living in Suffolk Street age 55 shown as Ind. Also Lucy Westwood 20 FS

Immediately above are
William Kettle 30 Gilt t business
Louisa 25
Mary 4
William 2
Maria 50 Ind
Elizabeth Grubb 15 FS

I wonder if the Maria is the Maria Twist who married William Kettle?

William

[LaytonLily]

Slowly, slowly, bit by bit, little details getting add together, where all was apparently blank before !

I find it so difficult to make correct connections prior to official registration and prior to any census entries.  To feel confident I have found the 'right' family / family members.   How different it was with my mother's side where they all lived in small villages in Worcestersire or Herefordshire.   However with my father's side living in centre of Birmingham a different story.

Thank you very much for finding the 1841 entry, which I am happy to accept is 'my' Mary Kettle - I hadn't been able to find it on A.......    It is often helpful to look on the same page, or even pages of census either side, where other family members can be found.   

It well might be Maria Twist shown here.   More to explore.

[Millmoor]

Probate for Thomas Francis Kettle 19 Jan 1877 formerly of Birmingham manufacturer but late of Wolverhampton Gentleman died 4 March 1876 at Finchfield nr Wolverhampton was proved at the Principal Registry by Rupert Alfred Kettle of Wolverhampton Esquire the Brother the sole executor.

I can see a baptism for Maria Twist in 1778 but not for Mary.

William

[Millmoor]

Hi

There are a lot of records about William Robinson Kettle b 1806 in trade directories and electoral rolls. He would appear to have moved from manufacturing to becoming an accountant. He married Louisa Elizabeth Hunts in 1835 and had 3 children Louisa Maria b 1836, William Thomas b 1838 and Rosa Jane Ann b 1842. William died in 1860 and left a will.

In the 1851 census a W R Kettle an accountant b Birmingham 1806 was away visiting in London. The rest of the family have I believe been transcribed as Keirle. The writing is poor but suggest you have a look. Living at Hagley Road it has been transcribed as
Louisa E Keirle 39 Accountants wife
Louisa M Keirle 14 daughter
Rosa J A Keirle 8 daughter
Maria Keirle 70 aunt
Harriet Riley 20
Jane Riley 17

As I said the writing is poor but the part which really caught my eye was where it said aunt for Maria (I did wonder if it was short for annuitant but it is in the relationship column).

William

[Millmoor]

There is a burial for  Ann Twist Widow Jan 14 1833 Birmingham St Mary abode Suffolk Street age 89.

Maria Twist baptized Birmingham St Philip 17 May 1782 Parents Francis and Ann.
The parish record for Mary Twist on ancy. bap Birmingham St Philip 21 Jun 1778 parents Francis and Ann-surname has been transcribed as Smist!

William

[Millmoor]

In Aris's Birmingham Gazette 7 January 1833 " On Saturday at her daughter's , Mrs Kettle's, Suffolk Street, Mrs Ann Twist , formerly of Paradise Street, aged 90".

Could this be brother Samuel?

9 June 1834 on the 29th ult , after a long illness, Mr Samuel Twist, of Paradise Street, in his 58th year. Other articles say he was the licencee of the White Hart Inn, Paradise Street which was "pursuant of the direction of his will" to be sold by auction. The article 16 June 1834 is well worth a read as it gives a very detailed description of the premises and states that "it has never been offered for sale having been in the same family for the last sixty years".

Now going to have a rest!

William

[LaytonLily]

What treasures Millmoor !   And I haven't even stopped to read them properly yet !

In fact I didn't know I had them but had come on to the site because I had a notification from someone about a posting thread of mine from 2014 !

I have copied your findings onto my computer and will enjoy reading the new discoveries later today when I have more time.

I have had a very sparse family tree for the Twist family for some time, but I am hopeful I can soon fill that out some more when I have had chance to put it all together and follow up some of the leads.

But then I have only been working on this Twist family for a few weeks.

I was looking on the National Archives website and found quite a few documents listed that look interesting and might provide details on Twist and Kettles of Birmingham.   Quite a few of them are held by Birmingham Central Library so i will make a trip there sometime in the next couple of weeks.

Thank you for all your work on my behalf.

[LaytonLily]

I haven't yet found the maiden name of Rupert's mother but I am a bit closer to establishing that 'my' Thomas and Mary (Twist) Kettle were his parents.    Not there yet but thanks, in no small part, by the help of folks on this site.     As so often happens with FH research, little scraps of information are found which don't make sense at the time, but eventually come together to make sense and give you the answers.    I have made tentative connections so many thanks for the help from each one who contributed.