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Re: Birth/Death certificate
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 16 December 15 13:00 GMT (UK) »
No it says omit the details in columns 4 & 6, so I take it that his name was entered without his permission or knowledge. John was born on the 19 March 1943 and this was corrected details was entered on the 11 December 1943. The details were given to the registrar by John's mother & my mother (his mothers older sister). 'Adopted' was entered by the Superintendent Registrar. The two registrars had different names. I might pluck up courage and ask my older sister about it, she was about 9 years old when this happened, plus she's the only one still around in our family from that time.
Jim
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Re: Birth/Death certificate
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 30 December 15 16:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jim

So the supplementary reference refers to the 'father'.

There was an assumption that the husbands of married women were the fathers of children but in this case I would suggest he wasn't, the child was born and registered and the father, realising he wasn't the father, had his name removed from the birth entry.

The adoption is another scenario altogether.

As his certificate has been annotated, the adoption was official.

Without knowing his name after adoption, it is impossible at this stage to progress further.

The steps to take now would be to use and search the death index on Ancestry, if you have a subscription or use your local library if you don't, and do a death search with his exact date of birth. There are 214 results but you can eliminate all the women. Cross reference the deaths with births and see if you get any left overs which could be the person you seek, if they have already passed away.

Alternatively, register with the GRO's adoption contact register in the chance that he may be looking for family memebers and has acsessed his birth file so he knows who he was at birth.

https://www.gov.uk/adoption-records/the-adoption-contact-register

or here

http://www.adoptionsearchreunion.org.uk/default.htm

or here

http://www.missing-you.net/categories/adoptions.php

Contact Wiltshire Social Services and ask if they have an Adoption intermediary service who can try to put you in touch. The person at Wiltshire Records won't be able to help further but could see that the original birth entry had been amended to remove the name and later annotated to show the adoption.

If the circumstances of his birth caused a rift in the family it is most likely he was adopted out of the family, not by a relative.

If by some chance there is a whiff of his new name in the family, I can check the adopted childrens index to see if there is a corresponding entry. From that, you can order the adoption certificate, find out who his adoped parents were and then use the normal tracing techniques for finding him.


Hope this helps.

Dawn

Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Birth/Death certificate
« Reply #29 on: Monday 06 June 16 13:00 BST (UK) »
The search goes on. As I posted I have his name etc from the certificate and that he was adopted. Yesterday a new piece of info was given to me. The last few days I have been in contact with his half sister (my cousin)over other family info, she shocked me by saying she knew about John. Her mother (my Aunt) had a stroke and while she recovered she received a letter from John the son she gave up for adoption. She started crying and begged my cousin not to tell anyone.As she could not see properly she got her daughter to read it. My aunt died in 1988 and my cousin only told her husband until she told me yesterday. But the problem is she says she can't remember anything about the letter, but she thinks he lived in the Midlands. I don't know if she has the letter and does not want to share the contents I don't know, I don't know if he ever contacted her again,but I won't pester her about it.
Jim
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Berkshire - Yates-Tame
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Gloucestershire - White-Holtham-Jones-Morse
London Area- Whitney

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Re: Birth/Death certificate
« Reply #30 on: Monday 06 June 16 15:17 BST (UK) »
Hi Jim

thanks for posting the update.

I would seem then that the son given up for adoption knew of his birth mother and may have been keeping discrete tabs on her.

If your cousin ever thinks about making contact with him, at least you have a date in 1988 when he was known to be alive. And if his new name comes up in conversation there are ways of tracking him down.
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Sherry-Paddington & Marylebone,
Longhurst-Ealing & Capel, Abinger, Ewhurst & Ockley,
Chandler-Chelsea