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Re: Birth/Death certificate
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 01 December 15 13:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jim

Please be reassured again that the 6473/s on the end does not mean there was an adoption and the people at Wiltshire should not have told you that.

Please see my earlier reply #14

The supplementary entry means just that, something was added or amended at a later date.

If every supplementary entry in the birth index meant the child had been adopted, there would be a lot of people running around looking for their adoption records.

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Re: Birth/Death certificate
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 01 December 15 17:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi dawnsh,
Thank you for your reply, I looked at #15 and see what you mean. I've since spoken to my sister she was 9 at that time and she thinks there was something like that going on. She remembers the two other children's funerals and says they were in white coffins. My aunt had a child born 1941, then this one in 1943 then another in 1944. My grandmother had twin girls in 1906 (Aunts sisters) and one was adopted by my grandfathers brother, it says on her marriage certificate the brothers name and that he was her adopted father. So god knows what was going on in our family as I'm a bit iffy!. There are two girls(my cousins) from that family still going but they are not 100% well so I do not want to badger them. I'm waiting for my aunts granddaughter to reply to me, I'll see if she can get any info.
Jim
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Re: Birth/Death certificate
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 01 December 15 17:40 GMT (UK) »
Did you ever order the certificate, Jim?

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Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
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Re: Birth/Death certificate
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 01 December 15 18:35 GMT (UK) »
Have not
orderd the certificate yet as I'm waiting for his sisters to contact me, I don't want to upset them as they are not 100% fit.Just checking with another family member at the moment.
Jim
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Re: Birth/Death certificate
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 06 December 15 09:12 GMT (UK) »
Just ordering a certificate, so I wait with bated breath.
Dawnsh, I should have said that the lady at Wiltshire Records did not tell me about the adoption straight away, she said she would do a thorough search and call me back later. She called back a few hours later with the adoption info.So still not sure at the moment as there is only one person around who was a child at that time and she 'thinks' there was something going on.
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Re: Birth/Death certificate
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 06 December 15 10:43 GMT (UK) »
My grandmother had a child who was adopted - on her certificate it has adopted written on it. 
I've just looked her up on the index - there is no additional reference or S on her index

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Re: Birth/Death certificate
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 06 December 15 11:11 GMT (UK) »
A relative of ours had two children with her first husband, then got divorced. When she remarried, she and her second husband adopted the two children. On the GRO index, their original birth records have a hand written addition in the form one letter and four numbers. The letter is the same for the two children and the numbers are close but not consecutive. There is a slash after the original page number, but there are no hyphens, slashes or apostrophes or anything else dividing the added letter and numbers. This was in the 1980s.

eg (vol) (page) / A1234
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Birth/Death certificate
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 16 December 15 11:42 GMT (UK) »
Morning,
Just got the birth certificate, I won't put the other names on here just details about John. His name was John Thomas Farley born March 1943, my Aunt & Uncle were down as his parents (he was born in the same house as I, was more than likely the same room!). But as too the other numbers I mentioned it mentions on the edge of the the certificate that the details in columns 4 & 6 were omitted by the mother and my mother (her sister). The omitted details were the fathers name and his occupation. His occupation stated he was in the Army so it was in the middle of WW2 so would more than likely not been at home.It also has the the word 'Adopted' in the updated text. So the plot thickens and I more than likely will never find John.
I've not mentioned these details to John's sisters but his niece has been told as I'm in contact with her a lot.
Jim
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« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 16 December 15 12:19 GMT (UK) »
But as too the other numbers I mentioned it mentions on the edge of the the certificate that the details in columns 4 & 6 were omitted by the mother and my mother (her sister). The omitted details were the fathers name and his occupation. His occupation stated he was in the Army so it was in the middle of WW2 so would more than likely not been at home.

Do you mean that the father's name was originally omitted and the relevant column was later amended to add your uncle's name as the father?

Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott