GERTRUDE ROWLANDS BORN 1887 married ERNEST CHILTON 16.06.1907

[Ladyhawk]

Hi

Wonder if this is daughter Sarah E born Liverpool 1883

Sarah Ellen Rowlands bn 1883 Sub-District Litherland, mothers maiden name: ROBERTS
recoord from Lancashirebmd

Could be this looks to be her birth entry on FreeBMD but it's 1882 
Litherland is in the reg district of W Derby

Sep 1882 W. Derby   vol 8b page 533
Rowlands   Sarah Ellen       

[..claire..]

Hi

Entered wrong date ...it is 1882, will amend the post.

Thank you 

[Ladyhawk]

Thomas' occ on 1881c General Labourer born Wales c 1847

Sorry can’t check out full details but I wonder if this might be him on 1891c Lancashire

Rowlands   Thomas 46 c. 1845    Holywell North Wales occ.    General Labourer   

ADDED

I wonder if this might be Thomas Rowlands on 1871 census
Born c 1847 Bagillt Flintshire, father Edward siblings Edward &  Humphrey T (1853)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5P5-36D

No parents name given but there’s this baptism 1846 Bagillt
Thomas Rowlands https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KC5V-S1V

1852 baptism Humphrey Thomas Rowlands St Mary Bagillt parents Edward & Elizabeth
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X1BT-L78

Bagillt is near Holywell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagillt

You would need Thomas'   marriage certificate to confirm father's name

[BumbleB]

Thomas' occ on 1881c General Labourer born Wales c 1847

Sorry can’t check out full details but I wonder if this might be him on 1891c Lancashire

Rowlands   Thomas 46 c. 1845    Holywell North Wales occ.    General Labourer

Entry says he is single - so possibly not. 

[BumbleB]

chilton-jones - Can we assume that we have given you some helpful information?  I see that you have been on-line at least twice since our postings yesterday.  Or are you not receiving notification of responses?   

[Jo Harding]

I am not sure if you have the 1911 census details for Ernest Chilton and Gertrude (Rowlands). The information on this is as follows:

Living at 81 Ewart Street, Saltney Ferry.

Ernest Chilton, head, age 23, married, 2 children born alive and still living. Occupation: Railway Shunter, London and N W Railway. Born Tarvin, Cheshire. Language spoken: English.
Gertrude Chilton, age 23, born Birkenhead. Language spoken: English.
May Chilton, daughter, age 3, born Mold Junc, Flints. Language spoken: English.
Annie Chilton, daughter, age 2, born Mold Junc, Flints. Language spoken: English
Hugh Griffith Jones, Boarder, age 29, single, Railway Brakesman London and NW Railway. Born Betts Y Coed, Caern. Language spoken: Both.

The street they lived in, Ewart Street, is still there today. This was in Wales and this remains the case now.

Ernest Chilton can be found on the Railway Staff database in the Cheshire Archives. It shows he was an Under Shunter at Mold Junction, appointed 1902. The actual records can be examined in the Record Office in Chester.

http://archivedatabases.cheshire.gov.uk/cms/lacrailways/Results.aspx?Name=chilton&Station=&StartDate=1900&EndDate=1940&Sort=&Direction=+ASC&_pn=0

There is a Welsh link by virtue of his job.

Jo

[chilton-jones]

Hi John
Thank you for that , it gave me far more than I already know.
Paul Jones

[Jo Harding]

The details given for the family in the 1881 census appear to be the right ones.

The family are living in 6 Claude Road, West Derby.

Thomas Rowlands, Head, married, age 34, General Labourer, born Anglesey.
Mary Rowlands, wife, age 29, born Flintshire.
Elizabeth Rowlands, daughter, age 7, born Flintshire.
Jesse Rowlands, son, age 5, born Liverpool, Lancs.
Annie Rowlands, daughter, age 4, born Liverpool, Lancs.
Thomas Jones, married, Boarder, age 29, Engine Driver, mechanized Brick making () Born Caernarvonshire.
David G Hughes, Boarder, widr, age 27, House Joiner, born Anglesey.

There may have been links between Thomas Jones and David Hughes and this family.

It would help to find Thomas in the 1871 census in order to see if his place of birth is given more accurately.

Jo.

[chilton-jones]

Hi Jo
Another piece of the jigsaw, thank you.The Rowlands family appear to have moved around a lot in North Wales and Merseyside. Railways are in the family blood and I still have a similar passion. I can sit reading a European rail timetable for hours (sad!).
Any further information is much appreciated.Do you live in the area?
Regards
Paul