Thomas WALLIS and Sarah ALLEN

[avm228]

1837 passenger list from the Navarino:

http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1837Navarino.htm

Children listed under the same ticket number as Thomas (shoemaker) are Jessie, Thomas and Mary Ann Wallis.

Then there is also Richard Wallis, b abt 1825, son of Thomas.

[avm228]

Going by Mary Ann Vivian's memories she had a sister Mrs Winch who died aged 71 in Nov 1901 (so born about 1830) and a sister Mrs Harrison who died aged 75 in Nov 1901 (so born about 1826).

The Thomas who died in 1887 was said to be born c1838, so was much younger than you'd thought for Thomas Edward (aged 8 in 1837).

What is the source for the expected birthdates of the children you've listed, other than for Mary Ann?

[Annette7]

First may I say what a wonderful account you have from Mary Ann and how helpful it is in this instance.

You mentioned her siblings as Richard, Thomas Edward and Jessie but this does not tie in with Mary Ann's own stated facts - in particular, the details re. her 2 sisters do pan out as follows:

Anne Wallis married a William Harrison 1846 Adelaide - she is shown in death index (as Ann) as being born ca. 1826 and died on 13/11/1901 Fulham, South Australia.

Sarah Wallis married John Winch 1854 Adelaide - she was bc.1831 and died 1/11/1901 Harrogate, South Australia.

From the death dates/surnames and Mary Ann's account these are clearly Mary Ann's 2 sisters.   I can't comment re. her brother and his name because I can't find a Wallis (or Wallace) of the right sort of age in the death index in Melbourne.   The account reads as if the 2 sisters and the brother were her only siblings - however, Thomas Wallis and Sarah Allen had a son John (mothers name listed in birth index) born 2/6/1844 who married an Emma Mary Hockley 1866 Adelaide and who died 8/4/1912 South Australia.   

I guess what I'm saying is are Thomas Wallis and Sarah Allen who married 1825 actually the parents of Mary Ann, her 2 sisters Ann/e and Sarah, and the unnamed brother who died 1887 Melbourne when Mary Ann herself makes no reference to the John b.1844 to Thomas Wallis and Sarah Allen who survived, married and subsequently died in 1912.

I don't doubt for one minute Mary Ann's account of the ship, arrival but since I can't see online passenger lists for the Navarino for 1837 on Ancestry I can't say if there was another Wallis couple arriving with 4 children on the same ship.   It's just that it doesn't sound as if it was Thomas Willis and Sarah Allen.   Do you understand what I'm getting at?   Are her parents actually named at all in the account?   Were they really named Thomas and Sarah or were their names something else?

Do either of the death certificates of Ann Harrison, nee Wallis died 13/11/1901, Sarah Winch, nee Wallis, died 1/11/1901 show names of their parents?   There's nothing shown re. parents in the online death index unfortunately (Sarah's states John Winch but that was her husband not father) and, as said earlier, I cannot find a male Wallis dying in Melbourne 1887 of the right sort of age to be their brother.

Sorry if I am pouring cold water on things but hope you can understand where I am coming from.

As things stand at present, Ann/e bc.1826, Mary Ann b.1828, Sarah bc.1831 and (for me anyrate) an unknown brother arrived with their parents on the Navarino in December 1837 but were their parents really Thomas Wallis and Sarah Allen (who'd had another child in 1844) , another Thomas and Sarah or were they named something else entirely?

I'm off on holiday to Dorset tomorrow so won't be able to help much in the next 10 days but will certainly still read any further postings on this thread.

Annette

[avm228]

Here's a notice of Mrs (Sarah) Winch's death:

Chronicle, 16 Nov 1901 - deaths

WINCH: On the 1st November, at her residence, Wattle View, Harrogate, after a long and peaceful illness, borne with Christian fortitude, Sarah, relict of the late John Winch, Harrogate, aged 71 years.  Arrived in ship Navarino, Dec 1837.  Gone to be with Jesus.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/87814096

[nudge67]

Hi all, revisiting some topics after an absence from Rootschat.

The more I look at this family, the more confused I get.

From the South Australian Pioneer Families database at FamilyHistorySA:
http://www.familyhistorysa.info/colonists.html

(results compiled by me into chronological order)

1837-12-06 WALLACE S arrived on Navarino from London
1837-12-06 WALLIS Thomas (Edward), Sarah ALLEN, Ann, My Ann, Sarah, Thos (Ed), (Rd) arrived on Navarino from London
1837-12-06 WALLIS William arrived on Navarino from London
1839-05-30 WALLIS Thomas, Sarah ALLEN, parents of child born named Rebecca at Nth Adelaide
1842-01-14 WALLIS Thomas, Sarah ALLEN, parents of child born named Jane Barker at Nth Adelaide
1844-06-02 WALLIS Thomas, Sarah ALLEN, parents of child born named John at Nth Adelaide
1846-02-26 HARRISON William, Ann WALLACE married at Trinity, Ade, aged ~30, ~20
1847-01-03 HARISON William, Ann WALLACE, parents of child born named William at Nth Adelaide
1848-08-17 VIVIAN James Peter, Mary Ann WALLACE married at Trinity, Ade, aged 38, 21
1850-06-11 VIVIAN James, Mary Ann WALLACE, parents of child born named Martha Mary Ann at Tungkillo Mines
1853-03-18 VIVIAN James, Mary Ann WALLACE, parents of child born named Jane Rachel at Nth Adelaide
1854-03-24 HARRISON William, Ann WALLACE, parents of child born named Esther Ann at Nth Adelaide
1854-10-23 WINCH John, Sarah WALLIS married at Trinity, Ade, aged 28, 24
1856-09-12 HARRISON William, Ann WALLACE, parents of child born named Jane Elizabeth at Talunga
1858-01-04 WINCH John, Sarah WALLACE, parents of child born named Elizabeth Ann at Mt Pleasant
1858-01-13 VIVIAN James, Mary Ann WALLACE, parents of child born named Kezia Ann at Tinginga
1859-01-04 HARRISON William, Ann WALLACE, parents of child born named Elizabeth at Mt Pleasant
1859-04-04 VIVIAN James, Mary Ann WALLACE, parents of child born named John Peter at Mt Pleasant
1860-11-07 WINCH John, Sarah WALLACE, parents of child born named John Baker at Mt Pleasant

[judypur]

Hi,

I was looking for a Thomas Wallace and Sarah Allen and came across this post.

Ok, I have the death cert of Thomas Wallis who died in Victoria in 1887 mentioned in the above conservation.   His parents are list as Thomas Wallis and Sarah Allen.   To complicate matters he is listed as have been in Victoria for 30 years and having been born in Scotland.  I have not found any Scottish records for him though.

On all his children's birth's he is listed as Thomas Hudston(e) Wallace. Different spelling to his death cert and different middle name than the one that supposedly arrived in South Australia in 1838.  I have not located a birth for this one nor another couple called Thomas Wallis (Wallace) and Sarah Allen.

He named his first child Vivian which is interesting given the list you posted with a Mary Ann Wallace marrying a chap with the surname Vivian.

I may have just complicated your search further, or there might just be something here that is useful.