Thomas WALLIS and Sarah ALLEN

[nudge67]

I am hoping to get the births of Thomas WALLIS & Sarah ALLEN.  They were married 10 July 1825 at St Dunstan & All Saints Church, Stepney, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex.

They were residents of Blackwall, Middlesex, when their children were born.

Thanks heaps

nudge

[CaroleW]

Are they on any census showing their birthyears and birthplaces?

[Annette7]

There are a number of online trees for this family but with conflicting content especially re. the details of their children born in the UK - they have them born Hampshire, South London and East London but don't think the events relate to the same Thomas and Sarah.
 
These Trees state that Thomas, Sarah plus 4 children arrived in Australia in 1837 and that Thomas was a Shoemaker!

However, none of the London baptisms I've looked at tie up with a Thomas Wallis who was a Shoemaker.

You say they were living in Blackwall when their children were born - who are the children, their names and baptisms?

Some of the trees state he died 1848, others that he died 25/6/1869 Tungkillo, S.A. but this death is registered as Thomas Wallace!

Annette 

[nudge67]

Sorry to be so long getting back to y'all.

Thomas & Sarah did indeed emigrate in 1837, with two sons and two daughters:

Richard, age 11
Mary Ann, age 9
Thomas Edward, age 8
Jessie, age 3

When 75, Mary Ann, from whom I descend, was interviewed by the Adelaide Advertiser as a surviving old colonist and spoke of their upbringing as children in Blackwall.

The family history as given to me by my mother has Thomas Wallis death in Adelaide on 3rd Jan 1887, and Sarah Wallis in Adelaide on 22 Jan 1869.

However, interesting that Tungkillo is mentioned, because Mary Ann and her husband James Peter VIVIAN resided at Tungkillo at that time (1850's to 1860's).

As for occupation, I have Thomas as a labourer, lime burner, & bullock driver. I believe his shoemaking namesake to be a different person.

[nudge67]

Okay I think the 1887 death date is incorrect, as the death notice in the paper records the wife of that Thomas Wallis, age 79, as being Phoebe. So unless there was a remarriage after Sarah's death, I don't think that is him.

Interesting the same death notice has him as a colonist of 56 years. that would have him arriving in 1831, 5 years before the colony was founded!

[Annette7]

I understand from the online trees that the Thomas Wallis who arrived with wife and 4 children in December 1837 was a Shoemaker so if your man wasn't a shoemaker it doesn't sound as if this is the arrival of your family.

The children you mention work out as a Richard bc.1826, Mary Ann bc.1828, Thomas Edward bc.1829 and Jessie bc.1834 but I cannot find baptisms for these 4 to a Thomas and Sarah in the London area at all which is odd.  Were they non-conformists?   Do you have the relevant baptisms?

Finding this one difficult!

Annette

   

[nudge67]

I don't know about the others, but Mary Ann was born 28/11/1828. I said she was 8, but she turned nine on the voyage. To quote Mary Ann:


The Advertiser Monday 14 December 1903 Page 5
Mrs. M. A. Vivian, of Mount Pleasant, writes to us as follows:-"I am an old pioneer, having left Blackwall sometime in September, 1837, for Gravesend, where we stayed for three days. We then sailed for this State, touching nowhere till we got to Kangaroo Island, where we dropped anchor for a few days, and then came on to Holdfast Bay, where we landed on December 2, 1837, now 66 years ago. I am the only remaining member of a family of six. My father and mother died years ago, and my brother 16 years since in Melbourne. My two sisters (Mrs. Winch, aged 71, and Mrs. Harrison, aged 75), died in 1901, one on November 1, and the other on November 13. I reached my 75th birthday on November 23 last......I was nine years of age when we landed. We came in the Navarino...... "

Based on previous research I am reasonably sure that at the time there were two Thomas Wallis's, with families, living in early Adelaide, that bear no relation to each other. I have been here before, most of those same trees intertwine the three separate Hornsby families of Adelaide at the time, who despite living in close proximity, I have established as being unrelated to each other, and indeed are from 3 different English counties. 


I do now see a problem... she had one brother and two sisters... maybe my tree is wrong after all

[Christine53]

Thomas Wallis who died in 1887 appears to be the son of Thomas & Sarah :

Thomas Wallis b abt 1838
Died Heidelberg , Victoria 1887
Parents Thomas Wallis and Sarah Allen
Registration number  6684

This was the only death reg I could find which  refers specifically to Thomas Wallis and Sarah Allen.

[nudge67]

well that adds up. That's the brother who died 16 years past in Melbourne.