Longshot ! Birmingham Carriage Lamp Makers - Tillman

[John1935]

Knowing that Birmingham was famous for it's quality 'Carriage Lamp making' in the 19th century,
I am trying to find out if in fact there exist a list of apprentices to that trade anywhere in Birmingham records ?

Reason :
George Tillman b. 1805 to Peter and Tammy Tillman in Lympstone Devon, was trained somewhere to become a craftsman in this trade, and the start of three generations of Carriage Lamp makers in London.
It appears that the trade did not appear in Devon, and Birmingham was the center. George's father Peter died in 1816, so would be logical that sometime between then and 1822 when Tammy remarried and went north to Scarborough, George would have been put into Apprenticeship - but where ?
George married Elizabeth Lerway in 1828, marriage shows that he was a Carriage lamp Maker and that the lived in kings street Finsbury London, but am finding it impossible to trace London Makers.

Best

John1935

[whiteout7]

Have you got these two carriage lamp makers in 1870, Middlesex
Edward Tillman
Frederick Tillman
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/23645/page/3848/data.pdf

There are a whole load of carriage lamp maker 'hits in Birmingham' in the London gazette. Can't seem to pinpoint your George Tillman with carriage lamps.

[John1935]

Yes thanks _ these ere two of George's sons, four out of his five sons went into the trade -

George Lerway, Henry Edward, Frederick ( my direct) and Robert other son John joined Elizabeth father's business as a stationer only daughter Lavinia married an Angas and went North to Sunderland.

Best

John

[John1935]

Forgot to mention - That George in 1862 was showing his Lamps on stand 6353 at the International Exhibition in London, and at that time was mentioned in the Catalogue as ;

" Tillman George 5 Ashley Crescent City Road - Carriage Lamps."

Best

John

[brummie nick]

It was certainly a popular job in Birmingham, just put Carriage Lamp Maker into the 1851 census and there's 57 people with 'Carriage Lamp maker' as their occupation.   

[John1935]

Thanks Brumme Nick
 
Any idea if there was such a thing as a guild of Carriage Lamp makers at that epoch up there please, or if any records might be kept in your libraries ?

Best

John

[John1935]

Can anyone tell me please, on the subject of Carriage Lamps, what a 'Beader' was or did ?

On one of the ads I have for our lot, is written ' Carriage Lamp makers - Platers and Beaders.

Best

John

[stanmapstone]

Can anyone tell me please, on the subject of Carriage Lamps, what a 'Beader' was or did ?

From "A Dictionary of Occupational Terms"

Tinsmiths; Sheet Metal Workers. Beader, beading maker; cuts and bends a length of brass or nickel by drawing through a die on a draw bench, fills the tube or trough thus formed by pouring in molten lead; draws again through die on draw bench; drills and taps screw holes, if necessary.
Beader (tin boxes, etc.); a press hand who places machine folded body of tin on block of beading machine  and operates lever to form a beaded edge for seaming on top or bottom etc., or as finish to top; removes box after bead or rim has been formed.

Stan