Where Am I? No 12

[ScouseBoy]

So, just to clarify, Scouseboy, are you saying that the photo of "Cazza's house" is pre 1906, it was demolished and the link Arthik gave us is of the new house, the one your relative was in? If so, and if, inspite of what everyone has said, you are still convinced that you are right, we need another photo of the house before the rebuild. Have we got that?

I do not think that it was totally demolished.  I think that it was substantially re-modelled at great expense.           Yes,  I have been looking for more photos  for about a month now..

[Mike in Cumbria]

You still haven't said whether you genuinely believe that Cazza's house is the 17th century house that was demolished to make way for Fron Yw.

[Little Nell]

ScouseBoy:

And how would you explain the complete absence of a pond on any map until after 1956?  Please don't malign the OS maps since they were of very high scale - any pond would have been surveyed and marked.

This pond was one of the main features that you advocated as a positive means of identification, but it simply did not exist in 1910 or 1920s or even the 1940s.  It was not a feature of the old house.  And anyway, it is not possible to see the water surface - if it exists - in the the photo of the house to determine if there was one there - which I personally doubt.

I'm really sorry that none of us seem to be able to convince you with all this evidence.

And in the meantime, we are not looking for the house at all, but wasting time on something that we don't believe.  How daft 

Nell

[ScouseBoy]

I suggest that we ask a poster who has not previously been engrossed in this thread, an Independent if you like,   to go back to  about  post 140   and review  the post at 141 ( I think it was)   in which  Cazzas original photo  was put side by side with Fron Yw  nursing home.

If that independent reviewer could look in particular  at the middle section of Cazzas photo   with the door in it.    I believe that section was only cosmetically  changed during the re-build.   It had a new roof, but the three rooms on the first floor and the two rooms on ground floor  and the hall and door  were improved  by  having the bay windows removed.   Someone with  a "builders"   eye would be preferable. I put it to you that my observations were unfairly rejected out of hand.

[Spidermonkey]

Ok, I will put the pictures in front of my husband (has not looked at this thread at all, and I haven't mentioned the debate to him) and let him have a look.  He is not a builder, but he is an archaeologist and has been involved with a lot of historical research.

[Mike in Cumbria]

I think it would be a more productive use of time to look for the real house but let's see what Spidermonkey's husband makes of it.

[ScouseBoy]

Thank you Spidermonkey.   Lets have "peer review"    as they call it nowadays.

I suggest that post 139   is about the point.

[Spidermonkey]

As said before, husband is not a builder, so if anyone else has a spare builder hanging around then perhaps they could also look at the images.

Ok, husband's verdict was that the only way the colour photo could be the same house as Cazza's house is if Cazza's house had been totally knocked down and then rebuilt.  Roof pitch is different, the axis of the building has been changed, and the colour photo house has stone mullioned windows (which are older than those on Cazza's house).

All that said, I would still like to see (even by proxy) a copy of the picture that Scouseboy has seen in the book.  Especially as Scouseboy is so sure that he has cracked it, I think it is only fair and reasonable that we reserve judgement until that has been seen.

[ScouseBoy]

I have got two pages photo copied from the book ( on paper, not digital)     

It is a black and white photo   with the new house still under construction. There is scaffolding up. 
Some sort of wheeled mechanical device, possibly a steam driven cement mixer. A horse probably for transporting materials.  25 workmen plus two people in one of the upstairs rooms, not yet glazed.

If I can get to the Library tomorrow  I will try to  scan and send it.