Looking for info on John Bennett

[chempat]

No, so either they did not register, or they used another surname. 

Which was why I wanted the correct birth date, so apply for certificate with that - if possible?

[sami]

Searched Birth Regs:

Herbert M* / R* / B*
1890 3rd qu Leeds Yorkshire
1890 4rth qu Leeds Yorkshire
NONE that look right

Herbert M* / R* / B*
1891 1st qu Leeds Yorkshire
Joseph Herbert Richardson 9B 555

1891 2nd qu Leeds Yorkshire
NONE that look right

1891 3rd qu Leeds Yorkshire
Herbert Richardson 9B 491
Herbert Richardson 9B 540

1891 4th qu Leeds Yorkshire
NONE that look right

Herbert M* / R* / B*
1892 - all 4 quarters
NONE that look right

I would go for those two that are registered in 1891 3rd quarter Leeds.
(But I have ordered wrong certs. in the past so I'm not a great judge)

[chempat]

From West Yorkshire baptisms:
These are baptism dates
Herbert Richardson on 27th September 1891 at St Matthew Leeds  Alfred Harry and Alice

Herbert Richardson on 23rd September 1891 at St Michael, Buslingthorpe Mary Richardson mother

Herbert Richardson on 16th September 1891  at St Bartholomew Bowling to William Henry and Ann

Would not show on 1891 census if they were birth dates.

[sami]

Well - that probably takes care of those 3rd qu 1891 registrations - puts me back at being stumped 

[Tomster]

Wow, Sandra, those court filing records are awful. Even if only half of it is true, John was a pretty despicable character. I hope I am not related although it appears as if I might be? If John abused the kids, it could go part way into explaining why my grandfather didn't talk about him much although he told my dad that he had a bad temper. Also according to Timothy, his mother, Jessie, had 2 sisters.

Tom

[*Sandra*]

Hi Tom,

Its unusual to find such detailed divorce documents for that time frame - many people didn't divorce because it was so expense. There was a document dated 22 April 1885 where John Manley was ordered to pay Lavina one pound per week ( £1 ) from 5th March 1885 - payable monthly and so long only as she shall not molest the respondent with liberty to either party to apply credit to be given for all sums of money paid by the respondent on account of alimony.

Another documented 1 st July 1885  where John Manley was ordered to pay P B Matthews Esq, of 50 Lincoln Inn Fields the sum of £30  13s  1d being the amount of the petitioners costs. And a further order that the respondent do, within 14 days from the service here of lodge in court the sum of £45 estimated by one of the registrars as sufficient to cover the costs and expenses of the petitioner or, and incidental to the hearing of the Cause, or give a bond under the Hand and Seal of the said respondent and of two sufficient sureties in the penal sum of £90 conditioned for the payment of such expenses of the said petitioner as shall be certified to be due and payable by the said respondent not exceeding the said sum of £45 with 24 hours notice of such securities to the solicitor of the petitioner.

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

On the 3 rd November 1885 when the Judge had heard the oral evidence of the petitioner and the witnesses produced on her behalf in support of the petition filed in this clause and having heard Counsel thereon on behalf of the petitioner and respondent by his final decree pronounced and decreed a judicial separation between lavina Sophia Gilliam Manley the said petitioner and John Manley the said respondent by reason of cruelty to the said petitioner committed by the said respondent and condemned the said respondent in the costs incurred and to be incurred on behalf of the said petitioner n this cause.  And on application of Counsel for the petitioner it is ordered that Edith Manley, John Manley, Henry Manley, Maude Manley Emily Manley, Arthur Manley and Helen Manley, the children and issue of the marriage between the petitioner and the respondent, do remain in the custody of the petitioner until further order of the Court, but it is directed that such children should not be removed out of the jurisdiction of the Court without sanction.

Filed by Matthews - 13 November 1885

Sandra

[*Sandra*]

24 th November 1885 - Manley against Manley

I do order that John Manley the respondent do within seven days of this order pay to P B Matthews of 50 Lincolns Inn Fields, the solicitors of the petitioner the sum of £50 2 s  7d being the amount of the petitioners costs, as taxed and certified by one of the registrars of this division.

10 December 1885 Matthews filed affidavit - issues writ of sequestration.

Sandra

[sami]

...... Also according to Timothy, his mother, Jessie, had 2 sisters.

Was there an obituary or death notice for Jessie in 1917? They didn't usually say much in those days but I wondered if there could be a clue from that.