Old Elm Cottage, Churchdown

[Minsterworth Lad]

Hello again, RootsChat Gloucestershire

I am deeply appreciative of the wonderful support I received following my earlier posts, thank you all.

I wonder if someone can throw some light upon "Old Elm Cottage, Churchdown", for that is what appears as the place of birth on the certificate of birth of my father in February 1920. Dad's father was an Italian Australian AIF serviceman who had returned to Australia in August 1919, shortly after marrying my grandmother. My grandmother and baby dad emigrated to Australia two months after his birth, but they were never reunited as a family - hence my dad never met his father.

Does someone know the history of Churchdown House, particularly its function during 1920? Anything of its doctors? Does it still exist? Are there photos available of Churchdown House as it was in 1920?

I would be very grateful for any/all information or advice as to where to look further.

Best wishes to all ... John

 

[Victor Harvey]

Hi John,
The following website may be of interest?
www.homes.findthebest-re.co.uk/l/145328/elm-cottage-church-road-gloucester-GL3-2ES
Victor

[Victor Harvey]

Hi John,
I have tried clicking on the website reference but I can't find the page, so I paste what I found.

Elm Cottage Church Road, Churchdown, Gloucester, GL3 2ESChurchdown - Tewkesbury
Overview
Value
Market
Neighbourhood
Crime
Nearby Sales
Overview

Estimated Current Value: £183,503*

Estimate Confidence: Low (Last price > 10 years ago)*

Last Sale Price: £95,000 on December 11, 2000

Change In Value: + £88,503 *

Property Type: Town Home

Ownership Agreement: Freehold

Construction: Existing Building

Rental Estimate: £734 pcm*
Historical Changes in Value

Five Year Difference: 12%

Ten Year Difference: 10%
Taxes

Purchase Tax Rate (SDLT) at Current Value: 1%

Taxes at Current Value: £1,835*

Local Tax Band: C
Area Summary

This town home is estimated to have gone up 93% since it's last sale price of £95,000, which is great considering the local market is still making it's way back from the recession.

Need ownership details, property maps and flood risks? The Land Registry's Property Search makes these available for a small fee. Put "Elm Cottage" in for the house number and "GL3 2ES" for the postcode to search for any documents they may have on this property.

* The Methodology tab below has more detail on how we calculate our estimates.
Victor

[chempat]

There was an Old Elm Inn, also:

http://www.gloucestershirepubs.co.uk/AllGlosPubsDatabase/RAIGConnection.php?pubid1=2229

Added:
I can see an Old Elm Inn, and an Elm Cottage, not yet an Old Elm Cottage.

[chempat]

There are references to a local history society in Churchdown, but it might no longer exist:

http://www.churchdowncommunityassociation.org.uk/whats-on/listing/churchdown-local-history-society

Do you want to know about Old Elm Cottage or Churchdown House?

Have you tried any goolgle searches?

[Minsterworth Lad]

Thanks, Victor Harvey - Thanks, chempat

First, my apologies for mentioning Churchdown House - sorry, my only interest is in Old Elm Cottage - poor proof reading on my part.

Yes, I tend to think that the Bat and Ball reference could be a lead. Perhaps the "Cottage" was a part of the Old Elm Inn?

Again, thanks to both.

Cheers ... John

[Minsterworth Lad]

Hello from an overcast morning in Australia

Sorry to bang on about this as I realise that one man's obsession can quickly become very tiring for others and I don't want to wear out my welcome on these pages.

Verifiable information regarding Old Elm Cottage and a photograph of the Old Elm Inn continues to elude me. I have nothing concrete to suggest a connection between the two, however, I would dearly love a photograph if the Inn in addition to information and a possible photograph of the Cottage.

An item held at Gloucestershire Archives - D7063/Box9/4 - refers to "miscellaneous deeds and documents held by Thomas Price, deceased 1933". Among the items listed are - "Churchdown: 'Grotto Villa' and eight messuages nearby; Sandywell Cottage, orchard called "The Plocks", the old Elm Inn, two orchards and cottage; Elm Villa."

I wonder if Thomas Price had an interest in Old Elm Cottage, or am I drawing too long a bow?

Both the Gloucestershire Chronicle and the Gloucestershire Journal, on 14 February 1920, include the announcement of my dad's birth at Old Elm Cottage.

A volunteer researcher from The Gloucester Historical Society kindly offered assistance but has, as yet, discovered nothing apart from the fact that dad was born there. I am grateful to her for her continuing efforts.

A photograph of the Inn is of great interest to me, even if there is no connection between it and the Cottage. I notice that a Hotel Development/Investment site even has a shot of the Bat and Ball dressed in the livery of the Old Elm Inn as a suggestion as to its future potential. The "dead pubs" division of the Historic Hotels organisation cannot assist with an original photo.

So, there we are. What, where, who was associated with Old Elm Cottage and what became of it? Also, can anyone point me in the direction of a publicly available photograph of the Old Elm Inn, please?

Best wishes and many thanks ... John

[Joyful]

Hi M Lad

Sadly the Old Elm Inn was demolished in 1938

Check the link gloucestershirepubs.co.uk and just enter 'Old Elm Inn'

and you can read about it. There are no photos of the Inn

Joy

[Minsterworth Lad]

Hello Joy

Many thanks for the link. It is a great shame that here is no photo of the original Inn. The  murals by F H Warren, mentioned in the article, may have been of interest as they might have referenced the earlier origins of the Bat and Ball - I guess we will never know.

Again, thank you so much for your interest in my quest.

All the best ... John