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Re: Where was Rose Ann Cullen in 1871 (b c1844 Ireland & d 1898 Motherwell) ?
« Reply #9 on: Monday 06 February 17 08:31 GMT (UK) »
Could she have been back in Ireland for some reason?
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Re: Where was Rose Ann Cullen in 1871 (b c1844 Ireland & d 1898 Motherwell) ?
« Reply #10 on: Monday 06 February 17 10:02 GMT (UK) »
I may very well be sending you off in the wrong direction entirely but, could this be the Roseann you are looking for?
Entry in the burial register at Cambusnethan cemetery, Wishaw.

Rose Ann McClusky. Housewife, Wishaw, aged 30 years, married.
Parents - William Cain & Mary Jane Cullen.
Intered in plot C447 on 9th December 1884.

Based on info posted earlier in thread:

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1871 – Where is my GG Grandmother Rose Ann ??? …………her 2 kids, Rose Ann & John (each recorded as friend) are with their father John Mcclasky (sic) (Lodger) at 4 Brown St, Cambusnethan, home of her sister & brother-in-law Mary Jane & William Rane (sic), should read Kane/Kean/Caine or similar

this deceased Rose Ann looks to have been the niece of Rose Ann Cullen. Given her married surname, though, I wonder if she was married to the John Cullen/McLusky (or variations), her cousin (son of Rose Ann Cullen), who was staying in house of her parents at 1871.
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Re: Where was Rose Ann Cullen in 1871 (b c1844 Ireland & d 1898 Motherwell) ?
« Reply #11 on: Monday 06 February 17 10:27 GMT (UK) »
Just checked scotlandspeople, and a marriage in Cambusnethan in 1871 - 628/124 seems to fit:

Rose Ann Caine/Kean to John McLusky/McCluskey.


Age in the register entry should reveal if this was John snr or John jnr (assuming the latter used his father's surname rather than his mother's).

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just viewed the 1871, so as John jnr was only 3, it looks like it was John snr, the chap Rose Ann Cullen apparently had her two children by, that her niece, Rose Ann Caine/Kane, married (unless it was an entirely different chap of same surname and forename).
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Re: Where was Rose Ann Cullen in 1871 (b c1844 Ireland & d 1898 Motherwell) ?
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 08 February 17 00:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi folks, thanks to all & my apologies for no response from Reply #5 onwards as my email doesn't work!

Joseph Jackson.. for the pic, great to have & looks to have been a lovely place at one time although I don't understand why places like this are left to deteriorate.

Sancti..one for me to consider!

Lodger...(who was at school with one of my McKinnon rellie's).. You gave me MI's on another thread (related but different).

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=724457.msg5735466#msg5735466

Scotmum...Wow, what can I say  :o
I hadn't considered anything other than looking through all possibles I could find with a birthplace of Ireland but difficult with not knowing what name she was using.

Forfarian, that crossed my mind but no Irish 1871 to check.

Much appreciated,

Annie

Added....I have most of the info. on Rose Ann (all census', all kids BC's & her DC) but for all those years I have been unable to locate her in 1871

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Where was Rose Ann Cullen in 1871 (b c1844 Ireland & d 1898 Motherwell) ?
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 08 February 17 01:52 GMT (UK) »
SP has an entry for 1871 census in Cambusnethan for a 28 year old Rose Collins but I can't find the entry on Anc*

Sancti....

Was a good possibility but alas not her! The search goes on  ;)

Edited to include extra info. from 1871 census.

This may help any other researchers?

Living at 66 Berryhill, (3rd)? Row, Wishaw, Lanarkshire (all kids b Lanarkshire)

James Collins, 29 yrs (Quarryman) born Ireland.
Wife Rose Collins, 28 yrs born Ireland.

Children;
Ann, 6 yrs b Bothwell
James, 3 yrs b Bothwell
Patrick, 1 yr b Wishaw

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Where was Rose Ann Cullen in 1871 (b c1844 Ireland & d 1898 Motherwell) ?
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 08 February 17 02:12 GMT (UK) »
I may very well be sending you off in the wrong direction entirely but, could this be the Roseann you are looking for?
Entry in the burial register at Cambusnethan cemetery, Wishaw.

Rose Ann McClusky. Housewife, Wishaw, aged 30 years, married.
Parents - William Cain & Mary Jane Cullen.
Intered in plot C447 on 9th December 1884.

Lodger,

This you gave me on another post (different quest).

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=724457.msg5735466#msg5735466

Rose Ann McCluskey (Cain) who died 1884, wife of John McCluskey was the niece of my Rose Ann (Cullen).
My Rose Ann Cullen had 2 kids, Rose Ann & John McLusky (Cullen) by John McCluskey prior to him marrying her niece.
My Rose Ann Cullen died 11 Apr 1898 in Dalziel.

Annie

Added, Reply #4 I had given my Rose Ann's parents names.
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Where was Rose Ann Cullen in 1871 (b c1844 Ireland & d 1898 Motherwell) ?
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 08 February 17 02:29 GMT (UK) »
Interred in the next plot at a later date -
James BD Cullen. Wishaw, aged 7 weeks.
Parents - William Cullen & Annie T. Moan.
Interred 7th February 1914.

Lodger,

Thanks as this one is interesting as I have no William Cullen (to date) anywhere in my direct line & I don't see a marriage for William & Annie in Scotland i.e. may just be a coincidence as my Cullen line have been here since 1851.

Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"