Holden's of Westhoughton, Lancashire

[chezbrunetfrance]

Hi
I am trying to find out any information about a John & Betty Holden (b.1786) from Westhoughton.

On the 1841 Census They are listed with William 24, George 11, Mary 10 and Ellen (granddaughter) 18 Living at Lower Terrace, Little Bolton.

I can find a marriage certificate for William, 28 August, 1844 to Mary Graham, where his father is listed as John Holden, occupation Husbandman.

But that is all the information I can find.  I believe that they are also the parents of Richard Holden, born 1804/5, Westhoughton but can find no information to confirm this.

Richard married an Ann Bratherton 29 March, 1835 but I cannot find any other information before that date regarding Richard.  There are varying dates of birth for Richard on the Censuses from 1806 to 1811.

There is a baptism for a Richard b.1805 at Deane, Lancashire with parents Roger & Alice, but I am not sure if this is the right Richard as the marriage records do not record the father's name at that time.

Hope someone can help.

Thanks in advance.

Chez.

[rolnora]

Hi Chez,
Have you tried searching Lancsopc  free website 
I can see a burial for a John Holden 22 Oct 1851 aged 64 and Betty is on the 1861 census as a widow.
 There is also a marriage for Mary Holden to John Calderbank 1853 St Peter Bolton they are also on the 1861 census with Betty.

RG 9 Piece 2821 Folio 19 Page 31
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

[chezbrunetfrance]

Hi Rolnora
yep I have all of them, I am just trying to find more information out about John & Betty and also if Richard is their son.  Can't find any baptism for Richard at all.  Love doing research but it can be quite frustrating at times.

Thanks for the reply

Chez

[Adam1994]

Hi Chez,

I've just seen your post about John Holden.

John is my 5th great grandad (I have only recently found this out) and I'm also looking for info on his early life.

I was wondering if you had found any info on him and his wife?

 I have contacted the church where he is buried to ask if they have anything. I'm hoping something will come up as I'm starting to get frustrated with trying to find a marriage certificate/baptism record!

Please let me know if you find something.

Thanks,

Adam

[chezbrunetfrance]

Hi Adam,
so sorry I have taken so long to reply to your message but I have been rather ill with stays in hospital, so I haven't been able to answer my messages.
I have had trouble with finding information about John as well but I have found something that just might explain why there are no records in the Bolton area regarding his marriage to Betty:-

John was baptised 13/8/1786, parents Richard & Betty Holden of Great Bolton, St Peter,Turton Chapel. 
A John Holden of Bolton married a Betty Leach of Rochdale, St. Chad Parish 28/11/1807 (Manchester, England Marriages & Banns 1754-1930 ref: L98/1/4/10)

It could be that they were both working in Rochdale at the time, but is conjecture on my part.

Hope this helps.  Also are you a Holden as well ??

Regards
Chez

[Adam1994]

Hi Chez,

That's no problem at all. I hope you're well and feeling better?

I am directly related to John. He's a 5th great-grandad on my mum's side.

The information you've found would explain why we've been struggling to find any info in Bolton!

Are you also related to John and Betty? How did you know to look into Rochdale? This is all very fascinating. I would love to know that if the marriage ban you've found is definitely the John and Betty we are looking for, why their son William was born 1815/1816. It may mean there are other children that died before this date?

Thanks very much for your reply. I hope that this has put us both on the right track. I will definitely be doing further research into this.

Have you tried ancestry.com? I managed to track down some photographs of William and family from the late 1880s/ early 90s. I would be more than happy to send these to you if you wanted.

Thanks again and best wishes,

Adam