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Re: fabricated family trees
« Reply #45 on: Monday 23 March 15 14:34 GMT (UK) »
Me again Annie, read post sounds wrong.  I don't  agree with people using my information.   Jane ::)
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Re: fabricated family trees
« Reply #46 on: Monday 23 March 15 15:32 GMT (UK) »
I have very little of my ancestry "online" as it's too time consuming but have it all on my home comp.

Having the knowledge I have now, I would be very reluctant to place my "sources" along with my info. anyway. I have learned that some people will use any free info. but give nothing in return.

A lot of my info. has taken many years searching in many different places & cost me many £'s  ::)
I therefore have now learned to be careful of what I divulge.

I think if someone asked me where I had sourced my info. I would simply ask them to send me what they have to see where the descrepancy lay 1st & take it from there. I think the wording of such a request would be enough to tell me if this was a serious researcher or someone looking to gain free facts  ???

At the end of the day.............we are answerable to no-one in that respect although I would be keen to know if I had possibly made an error or missed out something  ::)

Annie


I cannot understand this stance.

Genealogy has always been about sharing.

I share with B, B shares with C, C shares with D until eventually someone shares with me.

However since the advent of free sharing (the internet) some people do not share and the genealogical world is poorer for that.

They seem to think that sharing somehow cheapens the resources they have accumulated over the years and miss out on the joy of helping.

Thankfully they are in the minority.
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Re: fabricated family trees
« Reply #47 on: Monday 23 March 15 15:50 GMT (UK) »
I agree Guy, this hobby is about sharing - resources, knowledge and time. If you are not willing to share, I can't see why you are looking at on line trees, as by doing so you are "sharing" the work of other people.

Once I have established that a person is genuinely related, I am quite willing to share what I have and in return accept what they have. In that way I gained a photo of my great grandfather, that I would never have had, and I was able to give them two certificates that solved a long standing question about his second marriage.

I think we have to remember that our ancestors are not exclusively ours, but also belong to the rest of the extended family. For instance my great grandfather has at least 30 great grandchildren and all have equal claim. A generation further back and there are probably at least twice as many.
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Re: fabricated family trees
« Reply #48 on: Monday 23 March 15 15:55 GMT (UK) »
I have very little of my ancestry "online" as it's too time consuming but have it all on my home comp.

Having the knowledge I have now, I would be very reluctant to place my "sources" along with my info. anyway. I have learned that some people will use any free info. but give nothing in return.

A lot of my info. has taken many years searching in many different places & cost me many £'s  ::)
I therefore have now learned to be careful of what I divulge.

I think if someone asked me where I had sourced my info. I would simply ask them to send me what they have to see where the descrepancy lay 1st & take it from there. I think the wording of such a request would be enough to tell me if this was a serious researcher or someone looking to gain free facts  ???

At the end of the day.............we are answerable to no-one in that respect although I would be keen to know if I had possibly made an error or missed out something  ::)

Annie

I fully understand this attitude having been bitten on a number of occasions.

I recently gave someone a lot of family tree information only to see it appear online soon after without a word of where or how they got it. Oh well these things happen but it is sad as it makes people more reluctant to share  :(

(That said I use to have a tree online before but took it of after no one contacted me to ask where the information came from or enquire about aspects of it.)
 
James Stott c1775-1850. James was born in Yorkshire but where? He was a stonemason and married Elizabeth Archer (nee Nicholson) in 1794 at Ripon. They lived thereafter in Masham. If anyone has any suggestions or leads as to his birthplace I would be interested to know. I have searched for it for years without success. Thank you.


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Re: fabricated family trees
« Reply #49 on: Monday 23 March 15 16:22 GMT (UK) »
I fully understand this attitude having been bitten on a number of occasions.

I recently gave someone a lot of family tree information only to see it appear online soon after without a word of where or how they got it. Oh well these things happen but it is sad as it makes people more reluctant to share  :(


Happened to me too David!  Hence my earlier comments.  It OK to share but when the recipient tells you you are wrong when you know you are not its time to part company!  I am not completely averse to sharing. But think I am with Annie on this one.  Just my feeling on the matter and it doesn't make me a bad person - at least I hope not!

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Re: fabricated family trees
« Reply #50 on: Monday 23 March 15 17:18 GMT (UK) »
Putting information online may not be for everyone, and there are some sites and ways of doing it that I would never use, but it is one way of allowing others to check how good your research is. We all make mistakes, and where evidence is poor or contradictory there may always be differing interpretations; sometimes it just isn't possible to reach a definitive answer.

Like all evidence, online information, whether our own or other people's, needs to be checked out carefully rather than simply accepted. It's not just a case of "lots of people say this so it must be true". Ideas spread round the internet like wildfire, but if they are based on a mistake, the fact that dozens of people are saying them doesn't make them true. Equally, the situation mentioned by Guy can have its dangers:

I share with B, B shares with C, C shares with D until eventually someone shares with me.

Sometimes, when you track back through the route a piece of information has taken, you find that you were actually the source of it in the first place. So rather than being a confirmation of your own research, it's a circular argument that proves nothing. As always, care is needed.

But interesting though this is, I'm not sure how helpful it is to Rodc, and I wonder if his/her silence over the past couple of days might be because we've drifted away from the original query.

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Re: fabricated family trees
« Reply #51 on: Monday 23 March 15 18:01 GMT (UK) »
[quote author=arthurk link=topic=716241.msg5600995#msg5600995 date=142713


Sometimes, when you track back through the route a piece of information has taken, you find that you were actually the source of it in the first place. So rather than being a confirmation of your own research, it's a circular argument that proves nothing. As always, care is needed.

But interesting though this is, I'm not sure how helpful it is to Rodc, and I wonder if his/her silence over the past couple of days might be because we've drifted away from the original query.

Arthur
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Good point Arthur, yes care is needed.

I am afraid it is my fault that we have gone off on a tangent, sorry Rodc.
It wasn't my intention to usurp you. Once again I fear I have done wrong!
I just get a bit carried away, I should never have added my own post to your thread. I will be quiet now! It won't be easy!  Have enjoyed this thread.

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Re: fabricated family trees
« Reply #52 on: Monday 23 March 15 18:36 GMT (UK) »
Hey All,
would anybody care to comment on the legal ramifications arising from a family tree - that having reached its earliest known ancestor - who has no known origins past or future - simply disappearing- but leaves a spouse and 4 children - is foisted onto another tree in an attempt to create a continuous lineage stretching back to the earliest BMD registrations in England which is 1598 as I recall presently.
Be most interested to read ALL comments on this
Rodc >:( >:(

I missed the opening post but my thought is that there are no legal ramifications as family trees are proof of nothing per se, what is proof are the sources that can be fully verified and checked and if the are no sources or verification then they can be viewed as "opinions" rather than "facts"

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know thoroughly, and it is the best thing in fiction the English have ever done’
Lord Illingworth speaking to his son Gerald Arbuthnot in A Woman of No Importance"
James Stott c1775-1850. James was born in Yorkshire but where? He was a stonemason and married Elizabeth Archer (nee Nicholson) in 1794 at Ripon. They lived thereafter in Masham. If anyone has any suggestions or leads as to his birthplace I would be interested to know. I have searched for it for years without success. Thank you.

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Re: fabricated family trees
« Reply #53 on: Monday 23 March 15 18:51 GMT (UK) »
[quote author=davidft link=topic=716241.msg5601088#msg5601088 d

I missed the opening post but my thought is that there are no legal ramifications as family trees are proof of nothing per se, what is proof are the sources that can be fully verified and checked and if the are no sources or verification then they can be viewed as "opinions" rather than "facts"

As Oscar Wilde observed

"You should study the Peerage, Gerald. It is the one book a young man about town should
know thoroughly, and it is the best thing in fiction the English have ever done’
Lord Illingworth speaking to his son Gerald Arbuthnot in A Woman of No Importance"

[/quote]

Hi David,

 Once again I find myself agreeing.

Love the Oscar Wilde quote. How true. Brilliant-love him!

Jane
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