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Re: fabricated family trees
« Reply #36 on: Monday 23 March 15 10:54 GMT (UK) »

Let's not forget that not all information is online.

Another vote for "Might as well ask them"  :)


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Re: fabricated family trees
« Reply #37 on: Monday 23 March 15 10:57 GMT (UK) »
Sorry Stevie, pressed send too soon ???

I agree and I had not thought of that.  I think I will ask.    Even though I know my information is correct.

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Re: fabricated family trees
« Reply #38 on: Monday 23 March 15 11:10 GMT (UK) »
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I agree and I had not thought of that.  I think I will ask.    Even though I know my information is correct.

I think when you ask for information such as resources, you do need to be careful how you word the request. Don't start by telling them that you know you are correct, as they are just as likely to think that they are correct. Just say you think there may be a connection through xxxxxx and ask if they can tell you where their information came from. Once you have seen that, then you are in more of a position to argue why you think they are wrong.
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Re: fabricated family trees
« Reply #39 on: Monday 23 March 15 11:25 GMT (UK) »

I think when you ask for information such as resources, you do need to be careful how you word the request.

Having had my fingers burnt for being too blunt I have learnt  to be tactful.  I will not say my info is correct yours isn't.  Nor will I enter into any discussion as to why they are wrong. Nor will I share my information with them if they are reluctant to believe me.

That may sound harsh and may not be how others would do things but  please don't judge me.

Through ancestry and looking at trees I contacted some  people in the UK who were researching my family.  I heard back from 2.  One was doing it on behalf of her sister and  she gave me her e-mail, I mailed and have  heard nothing back as yet.  The other replied but was obviously not interested. I apologised for bothering her and left it at that.  Throughout it all I was very polite and gave the minimum information, just enough to let them know I was a relative!

All this can sometimes be a bit of a minefield for me,  all I can say is I am learning all the time.
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Re: fabricated family trees
« Reply #40 on: Monday 23 March 15 12:34 GMT (UK) »
Must admit I'm not actually bothered about identifying / contacting living relatives.
 I've encountered information on trees where people / events I know ARE mine haver been adopted or modified to others.
As (I hope) I check things out quite carefully myself, usually finding all possible people, drawing out a large chart and entering in all of them, over several decades (censuses etc.) to help eliminate them, I've three times found situations where people have "adopted" someone of mine, despite having to twist wives and children ( or simply not noticing /checking that names of wives and children were not in the censuses they quote, the same!) and high-tailed them off to their tree, providing them with entirely different descendants!
This doesn't especially worry me, I know where I've got proof, and I'm pretty certain that they haven't been as meticulous, or they wouldn't have ended up where they were, but it is a minor irritation, and evidence often of sloppy research ("Oh, here's a Thomas C of about the right age, says he came from Ireland .... doesn't matter he's got a different set of children, living in a quite different area of the country, with a different wife, in the previous and the next census - I'll have him!"). But it'll always happen.
I would imagine that any "professional" researcher may not actually be as thorough as many amateurs, as they will have to limit hours spent, even though they may have some access to richer resources than many of us have, and I would also imagine if they have sense there will be some caveat that they are making a "best guess"/" best fit" from the original information provided from the person employing the professional.
I would also imagine that there will be less satisfaction in being presented with a tree that is all done and dusted, than knowing that you have unearthed everything yourself, or of course, with guidance from like-minded enthusiasts on here, diligently.
I was once provided with a copy of a "Researcher"'s tree by a relative, and almost immediately spotted two errors, which allocated a wrong set of parents to each of two ancestors... which means the whole thing was a bit ridiculous further back, but someone, in all good faith, had paid for that! It took me a while to decide if I should point this out, I did, under the "an alternative line which I think is more likely" , to be told "but I paid for that, so it must be right"!!! At which point I gave up. It wasn't me wasting my money.
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Re: fabricated family trees
« Reply #41 on: Monday 23 March 15 14:20 GMT (UK) »
I have very little of my ancestry "online" as it's too time consuming but have it all on my home comp.

Having the knowledge I have now, I would be very reluctant to place my "sources" along with my info. anyway. I have learned that some people will use any free info. but give nothing in return.

A lot of my info. has taken many years searching in many different places & cost me many £'s  ::)
I therefore have now learned to be careful of what I divulge.

I think if someone asked me where I had sourced my info. I would simply ask them to send me what they have to see where the descrepancy lay 1st & take it from there. I think the wording of such a request would be enough to tell me if this was a serious researcher or someone looking to gain free facts  ???

At the end of the day.............we are answerable to no-one in that respect although I would be keen to know if I had possibly made an error or missed out something  ::)

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Re: fabricated family trees
« Reply #42 on: Monday 23 March 15 14:28 GMT (UK) »
Yorky,

I can agree with everything you say.  This has happened to me.  I don't really know why I want to contact these other tree owners maybe its just curiosity. I am certainly  not looking to find any long lost cousins. ;D

So as long as I know I have researched everyone myself and have all the proof I need why should care that others have it wrong?

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Re: fabricated family trees
« Reply #43 on: Monday 23 March 15 14:29 GMT (UK) »
I have very little of my ancestry "online" as it's too time consuming but have it all on my home comp.

Having the knowledge I have now, I would be very reluctant to place my "sources" along with my info. anyway. I have learned that some people will use any free info. but give nothing in return.

A lot of my info. has taken many years searching in many different places & cost me many £'s  ::)
I therefore have now learned to be careful of what I divulge.

I think if someone asked me where I had sourced my info. I would simply ask them to send me what they have to see where the descrepancy lay 1st & take it from there. I think the wording of such a request would be enough to tell me if this was a serious researcher or someone looking to gain free facts  ???

At the end of the day.............we are answerable to no-one in that respect although I would be keen to know if I had possibly made an error or missed out something  ::)

Annie

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Re: fabricated family trees
« Reply #44 on: Monday 23 March 15 14:33 GMT (UK) »
Did it again Annie, pressed post too soon!!

Was going to say like you I have no trees online and I agree with people using my information I have paid good money for.  In fact all of what you said makes sense to me.

I was once  very stupid and sent  some precious document copies  and photos to  someone, I deeply regret that now and will never do this again.

Jane
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