A Rootschat Database for British Home Children

[J.J.]

O.K. this is crazy, as I just found this online!!!
He signed up for ww1 & he knew Hilda was in Saskatchewan!
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Pegg-722

posting CEF signup next...
  Here it is, note 3 pages with last one his military/medical file
https://recherche-collection-search.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/home/record?app=pffww&idnumber=572645&ecopy=571994a
  Wow, fabulous to see he may have been in communication with her ?
...or at least with her adoptive guardians! Hard to know for certain when.

 I read something yesterday that a reveal could be allowed...
 once the child was 18-21/considered an adult?

***ADDING The Clincher: Just looked through a bit of CEF papers
His will was to his brand new wife
but he wanted his daughter to be contacted should something happen.
(Now see that no, he hadn't married until after he signed up...)
He was discharged 1917 after 2 yrs service, due to a heart condition.
Reading further down page...History of the disability:
***He had typloid fever at Moose Jaw Sask. in 1910!!!***
Sooo-Was Hilda on ship with him in 1906 but perhaps with others on board?
( Noted he was in steerage with mostly other men...Headed to Winnipeg?)

[J.J.]

  Again just pure happenstance...an infant says age 0 no 1st name?
 Mother Amy, is a squiggle...& there's a son John (1 1/2  I never found?
 she's headed to her husband a Bricklayer!!!  St John NB/ crossed out
   then Bal* Man.  (? Perhaps Baldur-town in Manitoba?)
New Can. archives search won't allow the rootschat shrink - link url!!!
Feb. 1907- Empress of Ireland - Amy is down as Henry age 21 - b. Suffolk!
  Their transcription has John as 1yr. and unnamed Pegg a baby age 0
  (Age of children - certainly doesn't fit - but the baby can read & write )
  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2HG1-4NF

  Adding: NOTE  Saskatchewan vital stats also has, with no ages listed:
  ***an Amy Pegg who died  Nov. 21- 1909!!!
You can order the information...instructions are above the results!
There was another Amy Pegg, though...so no guarantees it is this one.
  Hmmmm... now do we have a young John to find as well?
  complicated, now that we have more info, but with distorted facts

Note: I may be grasping at straws here, but getting the death cert
  info, altho expensive, might be a good idea to confirm or deny

adding brothers Ernest Horace Pegg & perhaps Walter William Pegg
ship Southwark-arrival: Apr 1904  Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
E H Pegg  Age 23   b. England ?.W. age 26 both are bricklayers
headed to Winnipeg (so likely where Bertie & Amy et al were headed)
familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2QS7-B7F
adding: Ernest with older brother Albert 1905 heading to New York U.S.
in transit, heading back to U.K. (George Conly may be friend or rellie)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK3Y-W8R9
Brother William (Levi) came out in 1907 (bricklayer to Winnipeg)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-61W3-9S8

[polarbear]

Amy Clara Pegg…Findagrave…

Should be Bertie’s wife. Died 1909.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u43/

PB

[annabananaphone]

J.J. - that is amazing! Thank you so much. I love it when brick walls start to come down, and pieces all start to fit in. Thank you again, Annabanana

[polarbear]

About the baby on the boat…

Here is some info I believe pertains to him.

Probable birth…
Bertie Walter Pegg
MMN Brooks
M qtr 1907 Ipswich RD (Suffolk)

We have him coming to Canada with his mother Amy in Feb 1907.

We have his mother Amy apparently passing away in Saskatchewan in 1909 as noted just above (lndex, Findagrave) and father moves to British Columbia where he eventually remarries. Hilda was apparently left with the Wrights and Bertie seems to have a new home also.

This looks like young Bertie in the 1911 Canada Census lodging with an Alfred and Margaret Allen in Moose Jaw Saskatchewan….named as Walter….last name on the page.

https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?id=e002099749&app=census1911&op=img

1916 Prairie Census has him still in Moose Jaw….now called Walter Allen and noted as son.

https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?id=31228_4363960-00664&app=census1916&op=img

1921 Census has him in Edmonton Alberta now. Alfred seems to have a new wife. Walter now shown  as his adopted son. It is interesting to note Walter is said to be born at sea.

https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?id=e002865422&app=census1921&op=img

Continuing next frame….

[polarbear]

Continuing from previous frame….

It looks like Walter married in 1924 in Alberta but I have only been able to find his bride Carla Helen Caswell in the index, not Walter himself.

1926 Prairie Census. Still in Alberta.

https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?id=e011260443&app=census1926&op=img

1931 Census. Walter, Clara, 2 children. Walter says he was born at sea again.

https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?id=e011752282&app=census1931&op=img

Walter apparently died in British Columbia in 2001…Findagrave entry. Father Bert Pegg is mentioned. This info is apparently taken from his death record. Death record gives his birthdate as 01 Jan 1907, birthplace England. Father Bert Pegg.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u45/

Death of Carla in British Columbia….Findagrave entry.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u46/

Death records can be found here. Use Walter Bert Allen, Clara Helen Allen.

https://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Genealogy

We know from the senior Bertie’s CEF record that he apparently knew where his daughter Hilda was. It appears he also must have had contact with his son. Walter Bert Allen crossed the border from Alberta to Idaho USA in 1937 or 8. He was still living in Edmonton Alberta at the time. Wife Clara back where he came from. He was in transit to Victoria British Columbia and was travelling to visit Bertie Pegg who I assume is his natural father. The image for this record can be found on ancestry.

Well, this is the tale of the baby on the boat as I see it.
Lots of food for thought…..

PB

[J.J.]

 Well completed P.B. Kudos for finding Amy's resting place and her son!
(and the additional info that Bertie had contact with his son is amazing!)
We've solved a mystery for several families & the guardians who took them in!
This will be such a boon to the many families searching for this connection!



On a side note:
Diseases were a bi-product of the rapid influx of immigrants rushing to
 the land of plenty (in actuality, plenty of land!)
Even many from Eastern Provinces headed there for the Gov't Land Grants...
Huge prairie settlements of shacks & tents made for very unsanitary conditions
helping to create epidemics like typhoid & scarlet fever, smallpox, pneumonia etc.
(One good thing came of it as a disease control laboratory was created 1904)

[polarbear]

Hello Annabananaphone,

I would like to thank you very much for the lovely “thank you” message you sent me this morning through the PM system. It has been a real pleasure to help with your family tree.

Regards,
PB

[J.J.]

re: The other 2 Pegg children - Not BritishHomeChildren / BHC
No need to research any of this family, as it 's pretty much completed.
There were several Pegg families from Eng - even another Currie Pegg combo
I am posting my finds because it was still a lot of work to find so little
.. but should also help with their whereabouts for family across the pond.
   and to also honour one of those many soldiers of WW1who never returned,

My original searches, re: Amy Pegg were for this pair of siblings;
but luck tapped me on the shoulder & sent me in the right direction.
   I thought I'd found a clue here... as well as some Home Children!
   But again, these two didn't appear on any homechild listings.
As it turns out the family was well-off, and some siblings ventured out...
1906  Living with Petrie family Saskatchewan/Assiniboia West/ (28)/B
   Pegg Wm  domestic?  age 20   b.1886 Eng  imm 1904
   Pegg Amy  servant   age 14   b.1892  Eng imm 1906 
I'd found Wm on subsequent census, but no Amy. but that age was way off!
   https://recherche-collection-search.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/home/record?app=census&idnumber=976984&ecopy=e001208086
1921 with wife Jessie & baby Wm. Last Mountain Sask.
   https://recherche-collection-search.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/home/record?app=census&idnumber=68285906&ecopy=e003118697
1931 Pegg, J. William- dau. "Hilda" (I'd originally thought a connection to Hilda Amy)
   https://recherche-collection-search.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/home/record?app=census&idnumber=84381394&ecopy=e011737599
     Mother: Jessie Gwendoline Bruton  Father: William Joseph Pegg
         William John Pegg    b.Jan 15 1921  10-27-06-3
         Hilda Gwendoline Pegg   b. Feb 10,  1923   10-27-06-3         
     http://genealogy.ehealthsask.ca/vsgs_srch.aspx
 Looked for a matching GRO Reference
   William Joseph Pegg- mother MdnNm Gilbert   Richmond Surry  June Qtr
   Marriage Jun 1876  Windsor a William Joseph Pegg & Georgina Gilbert
   but the only birth for a sister after him was a Mabel Winifred Mar Qtr 1888
   of which neither name nor age fit that census entry.

But then I found more of this same family in Saskatchewan and Manitoba...
Also looked up nickname "Amy" used in Eng. for Mabel, Amelia & Emily.
So despite the age difference it seems that Mildred (Amy) didn't stay here long,
as in the end, she appears to be on both Sask & U.K. censuses for 1911!!!
 

*********Eldest Brother*********
CEF Casualty Gilbert Joseph Martin Pegg  birth reg 1877 Windsor Dist.
    in 1906  He says imm 1903, wife Rachael says she came in 1904
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=census&id=977004&lang=eng&ecopy=e001208580
  Gilbert  & Rachael & 15 mo. old Gilbert W. from England Apr. 24th 1911 - Vermont, U.S.
   to Winnipeg Mb. headed to Brother J.P. Pegg  Loreburn Sask. 
   Gilbert says 1st entry to Canada was Ship Parisian to Halifax Mar. 20 1902
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKQM-52LV
Rachael's entry https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99DQ-PSXB-7
 (found 1 birth reg. Sep Qtr 1911  - Ernest Lionel Pegg -MotherMdnNm Guntrip -Southwark)
 -son Gilbert Wm Henry- nothing in Manitoba vital stats - nor for their marriage
    Gilbert  & Rachael & wee sons : Rachel via Portland, Maine, United States
    as a returned Canadian  Ship: ASCANIA   arrival: April 1912
   *headed to Loreburn Sask. an Ethel Guntrip (S.I.L.) positioned before Gilbert Sr.
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=paslisandborent&id=1011308&lang=eng&ecopy=e003623429
I guess his grain sales took him overseas often.
    His land grant was west of the 3rd Meridian right near bro - William Joseph Pegg
   140241 Gilbert Joseph Martin Pegg    SE   6   27  6  W3
               140550 William Joseph Pegg  NE  10  27  6  W3
   His C.E.F. signup for WW1
   attestation Winnipeg, Manitoba - Occ: Farmer & Grain Buyer
   b. March 12 (says 1878) #106034-1st Canadian Mounted Rifles
   Signup Jan 30, 1915   KIA May 28th 1916 Belgium  Will - widow wife Rachael
who was still living in Winnipeg at the time, but moved back to England
   https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=pffww&id=572655&lang=eng&ecopy=572004a
***

Tree on FHS says their father William Joseph Pegg Died Mar 1911 Worthing, Sussex, Eng
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/landscape/L8WT-W98

Sister Georgina Pegg - 1881 Edmonton (her movements confirmed all finds)
1911- Quebec, Canada - headed to Loreburn Sask. to visit brother
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2HL8-JSM
1916 Loreburn Saskatchewan/ Last Mountain /  27-6-4-
 William Pegg imm. 1904 farmer & Georgina Pegg 1886 imm 1911
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=census&id=43558049&lang=eng&ecopy=31228_4363966-01194
1924 March 1 -Victoria B.C. / In land routing by C.P.Rail
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:68D6-9GTS
 Married in British Columbia, Canada  Nov. 13, 1924
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JD88-4LX
 In 1931 B.C. census as Georgina Hole
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=census&id=86088225&lang=eng&ecopy=e011774383

Pegg, Ernest Marlborough Lional -  1882 Dec Qtr Shoreditch   
Looking for this unusual name found this family dedication with all censuses!
https://www.heenecemetery.org.uk/burial/georgina-pegg-buried-1928

So that rounds out this family...not such a mystery after all, for others searching.