Bishop families in Kent

[brsksm]

Has anyone researched the ancestors of Alfred Bishop (1863-1947)? So far I have:-
Alfred Bishop b 1863 Maidstone; wife Mary Anne Pankhurst.
His parents:
Thomas Bishop b1817 Tenterden; wife Charlotte Webb Kent.
His parents:
William Bishop b 1785 Tenterden; his wife 1 Jane Wood; 2 Lydia Unknown.
His parents:
Thomas Bishop. I think b 1759 Newenden; his wife Ann; I think b 1757 Tenterden.
His parents: I think Samuel Bishop d Newenden; I think Mary (Plaine)?

I would appreciate verification, or otherwise, from anyone who has been through this line and further ancestors if possible.

Thanks
brsksm

[bearkat]

Welcome to Rootschat brsksm.

I have forwarded your message to someone who should be able to help with this family

[DML1]

The monumental inscriptions at Newenden for Samuel Bishop and his wife Mary Plane are transcribed in item #5 at the following link.
http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/MIs/MIsNewenden/01.htm
The ancestry of Mary Plane is available online an the Weald website:
http://www.theweald.org/home.asp
Search for the name Mary Plane, and choose the one born in 1721.
The parents of Mary Plane were Iden Plane and Mary Gilbert. All the details are on the Weald. Iden Plane died at Newenden in 1773, apparently living with or near Mary and Samuel, but he was buried at Linton. Iden's wife Mary died at Staplehurst in 1758 and she too was buried at Linton.
Also buried at Linton were the other 4 children of Iden Plane and Mary Gilbert, who died early in their childhood.
The parents of Iden Plane were George Plane and his 2nd wife Anne Beeston. Both were buried at Linton, George in 1712 and Anne in 1739.
The first in the family to be buried at Linton seems to be George's daughter Martha by his 1st wife Martha Smith. Martha jnr was buried at Linton in 1706, where she had actually been living. There must have been a family burial area created at Linton.
The Weald traces the ancestry of George Plane back to Wyat Plane and Rebecca Jones, who married at Hadlow in 1570.
The ancestry of George Plane on the Weald has been based on the Plane pedigree in a book entitled "A Genealogical Record of the Families of King and Henham, in the County of Kent", printed in 1899.
I used to be able to find this book online at the following link, but now I am having trouble. Perhaps it is just my computer.
http://memory.loc.gov/master/gdc/scdser01/200401/books_on_film_project/PSCLOC_BF013/PDFs/20070601065ge
Each PDF in the folder is a page in the book. The Plane pedigree page is PDF 30.
Alternatively if I Google the book's title it now sees to be on the ancestry website.
Anyway if you find the book, in PDF 29 there is memorandum that supposedly shows that Rebecca Jones was the daughter of Jasper Iden of Yalding, and so traces the ancestry even further back. I looked closely at this and decided that it was all nonsense, and I advise you not to accept it uncritically.
I hope this helps - sorry I don't have anything on the Bishop family itself.

[bkr188]

Thank you Bearkat for alluding me to this posting.  Unfortunately I am not sure as to how helpful I may be. 

My interest is the tree of Samuel and Mary (nee Plaine) Bishop from Newenden.  They did have a son Thomas (1759-1843) who was a Surgeon in Tenterden.  From the will of said Thomas and that of his brother Samuel it has been verified he had children William, Samuel and Thomas.
 
If you look at the web site www.home-computer.co.uk this Thomas is stated to have married Mary King.  As yet I am not convinced this is correct.  I know his second wife was Susan (unknown surname), once again as per the will of Thomas.  There is an entry in the Tenterden churchyard MI's (341) for William, also a Surgeon and his 2 wives.  I have not found any verification that this William is the son of Thomas the Surgeon, although it is most feasible he took on his fathers occupation. 

The "home-computer" site is the descendants of Giles Bishop C1527, born in Sutton Valence, and has been well researched, with the odd glitch.  Have not come across your Alfred from Maidstone before.  Hope I have not confused you even more.  Shall make some further enquiries.  Unfortunately the Bishop family has a very confusing collection of Williams, Thomas and Samuel. 
Cheers
bkr188

[brsksm]

Thank you for the replies. I am working through them.but it looks promising.

[brsksm]

Hi. After lots of hours trying to sort out the connections, I have reached the following conclusions but they probably not of much help to anyone else.
Alfred Bishop b1863 Maidstone; wife Mary Anne Pankhurst.
His parents:
Thomas Bishop b abt 1817 ; his wife Charlotte Webb Kent .

These are OK but not able to find birth records for the above Thomas, his year of birth being from censuses. In fact his marriage certificate  to Charlotte Kent  shows his father as Charles Chester, a tailor.. There is no mention of his mother so the surname Bishop is probably her maiden name. I found Charles Chester b 1796 Brookland, Kent, a few miles away, and he marries Charlotte Ditton in 1823. So going back it is Chester I should be looking for!. The other Bishops are not related.But wouldn't an illegitimate child's birth be registered somewhere?

William Bishop b1785 plus Jane Wood b 1788 had 3 children  William 1815, Jane 1816 and Thomas 1819 none of whom married. Jane was housekeeper for Thomas and the went through Woolwich to Twickenham. So Samuel Bishop, Mary King and Mary Plaine are all deleted.
There is another Thomas  Bishop born and died in 1817
Hope this helps someone.

[bearkat]

Thomas BISHOP son of Chas CHESTER and Ann BISHOP baptised 27 Sept 1818 at Brenzett (illegitimate)

Charles CHESTER son of Samuel & Winifred baptised 29th May 1796 at Brookland

http://www.woodchurchancestry.org.uk/romneymarshbaptisms/

[brsksm]

Thank you very much , bearkat

I think I will be contacting you again in the future!

Thanks.

[bearkat]

There is also a marriage for a Charles CHESTER to Biddy FIELDER 6th December 1818 at Hawkhurst