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Re: New TV Drama "Banished" The founding of the Penal Colony in Australia in 1788
« Reply #45 on: Saturday 14 March 15 22:19 GMT (UK) »
I have seen the first two episodes and enjoyed it. It does not claim to be historically accurate and is just a fictional account of events so I think only fair to judge it as you would a 'soap'. It is a little different from the usual offerings so for that alone worth a viewing.

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Re: New TV Drama "Banished" The founding of the Penal Colony in Australia in 1788
« Reply #46 on: Saturday 14 March 15 22:29 GMT (UK) »
Just found this re screening in Australia in June:

http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2015/03/bbc-first-slow-tracks-banished-wolf-hall-to-australia.html

"Meanwhile colonial drama Banished, filmed in Australia with Russell Tovey and David Wenham, has also premiered to good numbers in the UK, scoring 3.4m viewers on BBC Two. Co-commissioned by BBC Two and BBC Worldwide Australia and New Zealand, it will not premiere here until June -three months after the UK".

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Re: New TV Drama "Banished" The founding of the Penal Colony in Australia in 1788
« Reply #47 on: Saturday 14 March 15 22:57 GMT (UK) »
Good evening,

It's been a while since I covered this subject at school so I'm a little rusty. I seem to recall though  that they had been there for some time before meeting the first indigenous people. As the series only covers a 2 week period of time then we are not going to see them.

As for the blacksmith "escaping", just strolled off would be a better description as there seems to be no guard on them at night. Or they all looked the other way as the "body" was dragged across the beach. Buried the now dead body, washed themselves and presumably erased all drag marks across the beach. Then a second night of illicit wandering about the beach and still no guard.

Major Scott?  would be better off improving his military skills rather than his bedside skills.

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Re: New TV Drama "Banished" The founding of the Penal Colony in Australia in 1788
« Reply #48 on: Sunday 15 March 15 14:38 GMT (UK) »
In an interview with Jimmy McGovern, he said that while the people portrayed in the series actually existed, all the events he wrote about were fictional. One example he quoted was that the convicts would not have been hanged; in reality they would have been flogged.

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Re: New TV Drama "Banished" The founding of the Penal Colony in Australia in 1788
« Reply #49 on: Monday 16 March 15 00:19 GMT (UK) »
Good evening,

It's been a while since I covered this subject at school so I'm a little rusty. I seem to recall though  that they had been there for some time before meeting the first indigenous people. As the series only covers a 2 week period of time then we are not going to see them.

....... and still no guard.

Major Scott?  would be better off improving his military skills rather than his bedside skills.


 :)  :)  :) Re NO Guard ..... there was actually no garrison force sent out .... the marines were charged with the responsibility to guard during the voyage, but in a formal sense they had no authority once they had supervised the landing of the convicts....  And many of the RN knew this technical legality .... it caused the NSW Governor some significant hassles.... 

 :)  :)  :) Re Major SCOTT .... who was he?

My school girl memories have
 Major Robert Ross,
his Adjutant, Second Lieutenant John Long,
Quartermaster Lieutenant James Furzer,
 Engineer Officer Lieutenant William Dawes and his four Company Commanders,
Captains James Campbell and John Shea and
Captain Lieutenants James Meredith and Watkin Tench.

Has Sergeant James SCOTT become a Major ...... ;D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journals_of_the_First_Fleet#James_Scott

 :)  :)  :) First meetings of the two cultures:  From Day 1  :)  and available online for Jimmy McGovern to draw upon....

"18 January: After a voyage of eight months from Portsmouth in England, 11 sailing ships, carrying officers, sailors, male and female convicts and marines and their wives assemble at Botany Bay. To avoid a large group of Gweagal at Kundul, Captain Arthur Phillip, the first governor of a planned convict colony, lands at Kamay on the north shore. Aboriginal people show Phillip where to find water.

22 January: Phillip takes two cutters and a longboat to explore Port Jackson. Impressed by young warriors at Kayeemy, he renames it Manly Cove. While the English are eating, Phillip draws a circle around them in the sand. This ‘line in the sand’, secured by marines armed with muskets, sets up a physical and symbolic barrier between the Indigenous people and the English at their first meeting.

23 January: The English party spends two nights in tents on the beach at Cadi (Camp Cove, near Watsons Bay), heartland of the harbour-dwelling Cadigal (Grass Tree Clan). Phillip decides to abandon Botany Bay and establish the settlement at the spacious harbour of Port Jackson.
At Botany Bay, the red-coated British marines, who carry long-barrelled Brown Bess muskets, awe the Gweagal and Kameygal.

‘I am well convinced that they know and dread the superiority of our arms,‘ writes Surgeon John White, adding, ‘from the first, they carefully avoided a soldier, or any person wearing a red coat, which they seem to have marked as a fighting venture’. White sees Botany Bay warriors painted with stripes across the chest and back ‘which at some little distance appears not unlike our soldiers’ cross belts’."

Source: John White, Journal of a Voyage to New South Wales, London: Debrett, 1790:118. John White’s Journal is available online as a Project Gutenberg of Australia e-Book.

http://k6.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/wps/portal/go/hsie/background-sheets/british-colonisers-1770-1792#1788
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Re: New TV Drama "Banished" The founding of the Penal Colony in Australia in 1788
« Reply #50 on: Monday 16 March 15 22:35 GMT (UK) »
Good evening,

I couldn't remember his name when typing and Scott was the only one that came to mind. Which is why I put a query after it.

As for a guard detail, it is and always has been the practice in the British Army to put pickets out at night in a position such as they are in. Even if it was only to safeguard themselves, after all, the prisoners couldn't actually go far with no food, tools or weapons.

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Re: New TV Drama "Banished" The founding of the Penal Colony in Australia in 1788
« Reply #51 on: Monday 16 March 15 22:45 GMT (UK) »
 :)

http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/phillip-arthur-2549  There's plenty of material in this bio to provide the script writers with material that has factual basis.

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and here too :  http://botanybaymedallion.com/?page_id=692


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Re: New TV Drama "Banished" The founding of the Penal Colony in Australia in 1788
« Reply #52 on: Tuesday 17 March 15 05:45 GMT (UK) »
Even if it was only to safeguard themselves, after all, the prisoners couldn't actually go far with no food, tools or weapons.

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And this is my issue with this portrayal.

Why did they know the convicts wouldn't go far? Because of the ''savages in the bush''

So it becomes , too me, a detail that needs to be mentioned.
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Re: New TV Drama "Banished" The founding of the Penal Colony in Australia in 1788
« Reply #53 on: Tuesday 17 March 15 05:54 GMT (UK) »
Exactly so, and particularly when the marines were not actually assigned by their officers to guard the convicts anyways ..... mind you there were ships in the harbour that had previously housed the convicts at sea, so perhaps could have provided sleeping accommodation of a night .... and the marines may have mounted nightwatches  :) during that first fortnight....

Has anyone sighted any female convicts, or wives of the marines on dry land? 

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