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Another pair of eyes.
« on: Friday 27 February 15 20:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi All.
The 1891 census gives the details of a family living in St Anns, Strand, London (RG/12/88).They were Henry Johns   .  Head   M   33     Shopkeeper.      b.channel islands.
        Jane   Johns      Wife    M    32                            b.London, Bromley
        Henry Johns      Son           4                              b. Westminster London
       
His mother and a  niece were also at the same address  (32 Frith Street, Soho).
My problem is that I have searched high and low for this family on the 1901 census but find no trace. There is a Henry aged 14 on the 1901 census as being born in Soho and whose parents are George and Janet Johns but I have found that this is not the Henry I require.  There is also a Henry Johns aged 50 living in Aldershot, in 1901, married to Ellen (but I know this is untrue) stating he is from Soho London.  This may be him but if so where is Jane and little Henry.  I have checked passenger lists, death records and juggled the names in al sorts of ways but to no avail.
Is it staring at me but I cannot see it??
Many thanks for any help
Dud.




       
Jacobs- Dorset
Parsons- Wiltshire.
Masons- Farnham Surrey
Johns-  Soho London

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Re: Another pair of eyes.
« Reply #1 on: Friday 27 February 15 20:18 GMT (UK) »
Can we look at it from a different angle?  Are you descended from Henry or a later child?  If it's from a later child their details may help.

I am assuming you have checked the 1901 for the CI
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Re: Another pair of eyes.
« Reply #2 on: Friday 27 February 15 20:35 GMT (UK) »
It doesn't help you find them in 1901, but are you sure Agnes is his mother?

In 1861 Agnes is a 50 year-old widow (she had married George Huddy Johns in 1836 as Agnes Andrew) and she has a children of 23, 21, 16, 13 and 3 (Henry). it's possible, of course, but he may also be the son of the 21 year-old Emma who had been born when the family were in St Enodoc.

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Re: Another pair of eyes.
« Reply #3 on: Friday 27 February 15 20:56 GMT (UK) »
Hi it may help if you find out who is the family of this potential marriage in September qtr 1897 West Ham 4a 296:-

John Villiers to Jane Johns?

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Re: Another pair of eyes.
« Reply #4 on: Friday 27 February 15 21:16 GMT (UK) »
Freebmd has this possible death

Deaths June qtr 1895 
Henry Johns    38    Marylebone    1a   315
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Re: Another pair of eyes.
« Reply #5 on: Friday 27 February 15 22:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi it may help if you find out who is the family of this potential marriage in September qtr 1897 West Ham 4a 296:-
John Villiers to Jane Johns?

Possible

1901   RG13/1579   West Ham
John Villiers, 56, farrier
Jane Villiers, 43, wife, b Bromley, Middx
John V, 18, son, b Silvertown, West Ham
Arthur V, 15, son, b Silvertown, West Ham
Henry V, 13, b Soho, Westminster

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Re: Another pair of eyes.
« Reply #6 on: Friday 27 February 15 22:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dud, Amelia Johns b c 1911 a relative?

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 27 February 15 22:33 GMT (UK) »
In 1911 Henry Villiers is still with John and Jane Villers (sic) but is now  Harry Johns, 23, stepson, b Shaftesbury Avenueso it's definitely the right family.

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Re: Another pair of eyes.
« Reply #8 on: Friday 27 February 15 22:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dud, Amelia Johns b c 1911 a relative?

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Just wondering if indeed correct family going on another post/thread by Dud?
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