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Henry John Morgan: London to Victoria to Christchurch
« on: Wednesday 25 February 15 22:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,

I'm hoping someone has Henry John Morgan in their tree, or one of his children, and can help piece together the family with me. This will likely be a lengthy post, so apologies, but there is a lot to get down.

Henry John Morgan was born c1862 in London (place of birth recorded on his burial record) and died 9 November 1909 in Christchurch.
He married Jane Elizabeth Fitzer c1881, who was also born in London c1860. After Henry's death, Jane remarried to Walter William Pike in 1916, she died in Timaru 16 July 1924.

From what I have found, they had (at least) 3 children born in the London area between 1881 and 1889.
1. "First Son" Morgan - who may have died before 1916 as he was not recorded on the obituary for his brother who died in 1916. I don't know his name, but the obituary for this brother states that he is the "second son" of Henry and Jane, so my assumption is that there was one born before him.

2. Caroline Maria Morgan - c1883/84. She married Robert Briton Wilson in Christchurch in 1909.

3. Henry Charles Morgan ("second son") - c1889. He died 6 March 1916 in Christchurch.

I have then found the family in Victoria, Australia with the following 8 children:
1. Lucy Jane Morgan - 1890-1890 (died at 5 months old)
2. Edith Morgan - 1891
3. Frederick George/John Morgan - 1893-1894 (He is recorded as Frederick George for his birth, but Frederick John for his death)
4. Adeline May Morgan - 12 December 1894 - 28 August 1972 (died in Timaru). Adeline married Francis Henry Bayliss in 1916 in Christchurch. She is buried in Timaru with her mother.
5. Alfred Edward Morgan - 1896. He married Christina Sangster Butterworth in 1925 in Ashburton. (Christina's brother married one of Alfred's sisters).
6. Ernest Arthur Morgan - 1898.
7. Ada Alice Morgan - 1900. She married William Hamilton Oswald in 1919, and died in NZ in 1969.
8. Martha Lilian Morgan - 3 June 1901. She married Albert Henry James Barnes in 1920 and died in NZ in 1983.

I have found brief birth records online for the above 8 children that show their parents to be Henry John Morgan and Jane Elizabeth Fitzer.

And then they come to NZ and have a few more children:
1. Harry Walter Morgan (my great grandfather) - 3 Feb 1903 - 14 Jan 1978. Born and died in Christchurch. He married Agnes Tod Martin 29 October 1929.
2. Lucy Jane Morgan - 26 May 1905 - 3 July 1992. She married Alfred Ernest Butterworth (brother of Christina Sangster Butterworth) in 1926.
3. Eileen Edna Morgan - 1907 - 4 June 1981. She married Frederick George Britt 16 June 1927, and both are buried in Wellington.

I can't find passenger lists to show the family traveling from London to Victoria (which must have been around 1889 and 1890 to tie in with the children's births) or from Victoria to Christchurch (between 1901 and 1903, again to fit with births).
So I am hoping that someone recognises one of these names. There may have been more children born in London, but as of yet I haven't found any that I am confident with.

Thanks for reading! Any suggestions on my next step would be much appreciated :)
Sumner, Warwickshire

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Re: Henry John Morgan: London to Victoria to Christchurch
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 26 February 15 10:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi fe_nyx

Gosh ... large family ... with births spread out over nearly quarter of a century !   :o

Unusual too that nobody seems to be researching this family - well, not that I've been able to find anyway.

But to start with, some good news.   
The following newspaper articles flush out another "child" ... who may or may not, be the eldest son ?

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz

"Press" (Chch) - 15 October 1913 - page 6 / column 1  - Supporting Their Mother

... mentions William Thomas MORGAN, Adeline May MORGAN and Alfred Edward MORGAN ... charged with failing to support their mother.

"Star" (Chch) - 14 October 1913 - p. 5 - Husbands and Wives -- Mother's Maintenance

.... a more informative article (though Adeline is named as "Adelaide"):   ... Mother (not named) but age given as 51 years ... lawyer mentions she has 12 children.    Mother comments she has two children at home and two at St. Saviours ... then states she has (another) elder son*

[Note:  * "another elder son" ... just highlighting this now as I have more info for son William Thomas Morgan. ]
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Re: Henry John Morgan: London to Victoria to Christchurch
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 26 February 15 10:36 GMT (UK) »
William Thomas MORGAN

There is a WW1 Army file for this man  - Regt. No. 25/1782 :

It's a very lengthy file and I don't have time to read through it all, but suggest you take a look in more depth.  ;)

I couldn't see the (usual) Attestation form ?? which might give further detail (but have only really skimmed the file).   It does confirm mother's name, Mrs E. J. MORGAN of Rolleston ... later Mrs PIKE ... and an address of his sister/brother-in-law ?

From what I was able to find on the file, William Thomas MORGAN was born on 3-11-82 (3 November 1882).   If you look at page 1 - in the (top) section that says "religion", it looks like his birthplace might have been entered ?   I think I can see the word "London" ??

Here's the link for viewing on Archives NZ's website.

http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=21377335&digital=yes

[Click on his name, to view full file. ]

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Re: Henry John Morgan: London to Victoria to Christchurch
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 26 February 15 10:49 GMT (UK) »

From what I have found, they had (at least) 3 children born in the London area between 1881 and 1889.
1. "First Son" Morgan - who may have died before 1916 as he was not recorded on the obituary for his brother who died in 1916. I don't know his name, but the obituary for this brother states that he is the "second son" of Henry and Jane, so my assumption is that there was one born before him.

Hi again

Are you able to give a link to the obituary, please ?
[I did locate death and In Memoriam notices for Henry Charles (Charlie) MORGAN .. no mention by name of his siblings though ? ]
And there is the obituary in the "Grey River Argus" - 16 March 1916 - Personal -- which stated that his parents live at Sydenham and he leaves two brothers and two sisters ???  ... which doesn't exactly stack up ??   [Note:  *  Info given in obituaries is not always strictly correct. ]

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Re: Henry John Morgan: London to Victoria to Christchurch
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 26 February 15 10:59 GMT (UK) »

Henry John Morgan was born c1862 in London (place of birth recorded on his burial record) and died 9 November 1909 in Christchurch.

Another question ...  ;)

You say "burial record" ... do you actually have his death printout (death certificate) ??

That should ideally contain information on the ages and sex of the children who survived him.
I'm guessing that his wife may have been the informant to Henry John's tragic death in 1909 (I see she gave evidence at the inquest).

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Re: Henry John Morgan: London to Victoria to Christchurch
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 26 February 15 11:10 GMT (UK) »
Could this be the shipping list to NZ?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12446-95647-72?cc=1609792
in 1902
Mrs Morgan, 40
"+ 8 children"
girls 16 10 7 2  (would fit with Caroline, Edith, Adeline, Ada)
boys 12 5 4  (Henry, Alfred, Ernest)
+ infant under the age of 12 months (Martha)

Mrs Morgan is marked as "England", the children as from "Victoria".

Henry John, (and William Thomas ?) perhaps travelled together, on an earlier ship?

It would be worthwhile to get a Victorian birth certificate for one of those children - they give lists of previous children and also where the parents were married.  I cannot see any track of marriage in England for this couple so far.
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Re: Henry John Morgan: London to Victoria to Christchurch
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 26 February 15 11:10 GMT (UK) »
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz

"Star" (Chch) - 14 October 1913 - p. 5 - Husbands and Wives -- Mother's Maintenance

.... a more informative article (though Adeline is named as "Adelaide"):   ... Mother (not named) but age given as 51 years ... lawyer mentions she has 12 children.    Mother comments she has two children at home and two at St. Saviours ... then states she has (another) elder son*



  ... just a thought on this "elder son".   
Maybe she is referring to Henry Charles (Charlie) bc 1889.  ??    Though he's not as old as William Thomas (bc 1882) ... he was in fact older than Adeline May and Alfred Edward.
"Charlie" seemed to be engaged in full employment and doing well for himself, so possibly he was already contributing to his mother's upkeep ??

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Re: Henry John Morgan: London to Victoria to Christchurch
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 26 February 15 11:17 GMT (UK) »

It would be worthwhile to get a Victorian birth certificate for one of those children - they give lists of previous children and also where the parents were married.  I cannot see any track of marriage in England for this couple so far.

... had been about to mention the purchase of a Victorian birth cert. (wonderfully informative, they are)  ;D
 
Like jorose, I also haven't found a marriage for Henry / Jane Elizabeth (Elizabeth Jane) ?

I'm guessing that is the correct Elizabeth J. FITZER - 18 - b. Whitechapel - domestic servant in the household of William and Eizabeth WARD at Hackney, in the 1881 UK Census  ??

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Re: Henry John Morgan: London to Victoria to Christchurch
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 26 February 15 11:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi fe_nyx

I see you are located in Christchurch and just wondered if you'd already explored the Church registers (BDM) at ChCh Library ?

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