A Jewish ancestor Mary Ann Lord bagsot

[mickmack1942]

I am trying to help some one who says that there relative was a Jew and born in Bagshot about 1790,
been looking every were that I can find any records for this parish for this time, I suppose the child could have been born there on the parents way to were ever, the child's name Mary Ann Lord, she got married in 1810 in Datchet, Bucks , can any one help please....regards..mick

[nanny jan]

If the family were Jewish then they would not feature in parish registers.  This might help:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01est/


Nanny Jan

[mickmack1942]

Thanks for that nanny jan, reading all that says the births were not recorded in there own community
marr and deaths were, until 1837 when the bmd got off the ground, so finding a birth in abt 1790  is poss a nono, and as Mary's marr was to a gentile her family disowned her all so she was pregnant at marriage, how bad can it get, the marriage would be recorded in a Hardwick register so the chance of
any parental info is nil, and no census to work on either.
                thanks again any way..........mick 

[nanny jan]

What proof is there that Mary Ann Lord was born in Bagshot and that she was from a Jewish family? Did she change her name?


Nanny Jan

[Lostris]

just to keep things tidy - Bagshot wasnt a Parish, it came under nearby Windlesham.

Not that it helps, given her Faith, but Windlesham Church records were lost/destroyed for a big chunk of the 18thC ....

[mickmack1942]

Hi Lostris...
Lost ..destroyed...mumble.mumble etc.   another brick wall found in the great Ancestry hunt,
 these things are sent to try us, thanks any way...mick

[John Woods]

I believe that Mary Ann Lord is one of my ancestors. I've been researching this branch of my family for many years. There is only *one* link between Mary Ann Lord and me. This is an 1859 marriage certificate from Victoria Australia. On 30 May 1859 at Saint Peter's Church, Melbourne, the marriage took place of my ancestors John FARTHING and Harriet Ann WEST. Harriet's parents are stated on the certificate to be George WEST and Mary LORD or LORDS. After many years of research, there is no other document I've seen that states Harriet's mother's maiden name. Harriet Ann WEST was baptised on 12 June 1836 at St Luke's Old Street, Middlesex, England. She had many older brothers and sisters but none younger that I know of (if there were younger siblings, the mother's maiden name would be on the birth certificate). There was a family story that Harriet had a Jewish connection. I've never yet seen any written confirmation of this. I strongly suspect that Mary Ann LORD (born Bagshot) is the same person as Mary Ann LAIRD, baptised 8 July 1792 at Windlesham, Surrey, daughter of William and Elizabeth. There were a number of Lairds in Bagshot.

[trish1120]

Sorry if I am going over what you already have John Woods.
I think you may be correct though.

BAPTISMS;
St John the Baptist, Windesham, Surrey
LAIRD, Parents WILLIAM/ELIABETH (or Betsey on one)
MARY ANN, 8 July 1792
WILLIAM, 18 Jan 1795, Buried 27 Jan 1795 (infant), birth 18 Jan
HARRIOT, 11 June 1797 (Mother as Betsey)
JAMES, 30 June 1801***
(Source FreeREG)

***Anc has a James LAIRD, Buried 1 May 1818 Windesham,  age 16, abode Bagshot,

Banns read Sept/Oct 1790 for this Couple;
William LORD of the Parish of North Waltham, County of Southampton
Elizabeth JACOBS of this Parish
(Source FreeREG)

These may be worth noting also;
RACHEL Lord, 15 June 1804, age 13mths
THOMAS Lard, 5 May 1805, birth 4 Feb 1805
Baptised St Mary, Andover, Hampshire, Parents WILLIAM/ELIZABETH
(FreeREG)

Trish

[John Woods]

In answer to Nanny Jan's question, the evidence for Mary Ann being born in Bagshot is the birthplace recorded in the 1851 and 1861 census. She was a widow in 1851 and 1861, her husband George WEST having died in 1849.  The writing looks like "Bayshot", Surrey, but I'm pretty sure there is no such place. I've checked a number of other people who seem to be born in "Bayshot" and evidence for several points to Bagshot.