John William Moor married to Isabella Sturrock

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Andrea,

Looks like after Isabella died, John remarried to a widow Annie Thompson. John William Moor and Annie Thompson, Tynemouth, June qtr 1908. They can be found easily in 1911 on Ancestry with joint family. Do you have that cert, to see who he gives as his father?

Alan.

If we could find out which parish church they married in (always provided they married in a parish church) I could check it out at the archives - save the cost of a certificate.

Christine

[JenB]

Andrea,

Looks like after Isabella died, John remarried to a widow Annie Thompson. John William Moor and Annie Thompson, Tynemouth, June qtr 1908. They can be found easily in 1911 on Ancestry with joint family. Do you have that cert, to see who he gives as his father?

Alan.

If we could find out which parish church they married in (always provided they married in a parish church) I could check it out at the archives - save the cost of a certificate.

Christine

The code number for the marriage on the North Tyneside Registrar's website is C-1, which according to this list I posted on the Northumberland Resources Board, is Christ Church, North Shields
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=550486.0

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     I have that list on the office wall - right next to where I sit, so why didn't I think to use it? 

Thanks, Jen 

Andrea - I can take a look at the marriage at Christchurch on Wednesday if you want me to

Christine

[Andyw65]

Yes please Christine that would be very kind.  I've already used up my month's 'certificate allowance' and some and it's only the 8th! 

Christine, Alan and Jen, I really can't thank you enough for all your help and suggestions.  When I received John William's and Isabella's marriage certificate it made me doubt all the research I'd done up until then.  But a very valuable lesson - check, check and check again before making assumptions.

Interestingly, according to my Grandma (Isabella's first born daughter), her stepmother Annie Thompson was the archetypical 'wicked stepmother'.  This fact was reinforced by a contributor to Ancestry who posted to someone else's family tree that Annie 'turned out to be the stepmother from hell for his (John William's) children.  She was cruel in the extreme and never missed a chance to beat them.'  I have sent a message to the poster, but he posted this story in 2007 and I haven't received a reply from him.

Apart from not wanting to beaten on this I am writing a family history for my three grandsons, two of whom are now Australian. I thought it would be a good idea to give them an idea of their 'Pommie Roots'

Thank you one again

Andy

[WolfieSmith]

Andy,

Who is the second marriage witness on John and Isabellas marriage cert. You said one of the witnesses was Isabellas sister. In case the second witness can be linked to John. Any address given for John?

Alan.

[Andyw65]

Hi Alan

The first witness is James Mavin (at least I 'm pretty sure it's Mavin - the 'v' is slightly questionable) with Ellen Sturrock as the second witness.  Annoyingly the residence for both JW and Isabella at the time of the marriage is given as 'Tynemouth'.

A bit more information that I've found, which I hope is correct (but I'll be double checking!), is that Annie Thompson's first husband died in 1901, but she had another son, George, in 1907.  JW and Annie married in June 1908, which was 6 months after my Grandma married her first husband and 2 months after my Grandma's first child was born.  Family legend had it that Grandma and my great aunt couldn't stand their wicked stepmother so moved out as soon as they could.  This would seem to indicate that JW and moved Annie and her children in before marrying her.  Boy is this story complicated!

Andy

[WolfieSmith]

In that case you've hit lucky because thats his brother in law.

JWM sister from 1871 census, Elizabeth Maria Moor married James Mavin, Tynemouth 1879, confirmed on North Tyneside Registrars site. James and Elizabeth and family are living at 32 Beacon St., North Shields in 1891, 3 pages away from John W Moor and Isabella. Elizabeth and James named one of their children Margaret Ann Harper Mavin.

Alan.

[Andyw65]

Haven't I just!

I have JW's birth certificate which states Father John Moor Seaman Merchant Service; Mother Margaret Ann Moor, formerly Harper living in Clive Street North Shields.  My Grandmother's name was Margaret Ann Moor.

So this has brought us full circle - do I have the right marriage certificate with the wrong information or do I have the wrong marriage certificate with a different John William Moor who married the wrong Isabella Sturrock at about the right time with their family members as witnesses? 

The George Sturrock I've got is a shoemaker who married Margaret Ann (yes another Margaret Ann!) Askew who gave birth to Isabella in 1866.

I've learned a lot from your help and how you obtained the information so thank you once again.

Andy

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Bingo!

Christchurch, Tynemouth  19th April 1908, by banns

John William Moor age 41, widower, Engine man of 65 George Street.
Father - JOHN Moor (deceased), Mariner
Annie Thompson age 40, widow of 48 Charlotte Street
Father - George John Clark (deceased), Mariner

Witnesses - John Boocock and Mary French