Birth/baptism lookup request Crispe family

[rosie99]

JF Crisps will in 1903 names only wife Rosine Miller Crisp

Rosine's death in 1933
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGTG-7YZ

Also mentions daughter Ruth, son Robert Henry and son Ian, who was to have a gold necktie pin. It also says that if his wife predeceases him his estate should be used to fund the education on any each surving child up to the age of 18 and then be split equally amongst the survivors.

Sorry, I missed that 

Rosines death says she was Anglo Indian.

[groom]

Looking at the dates, if he was born about 1897 and his father died in India in 1903, I wonder if he was actually born in India and that is why we can't find a record in Freebmd?

[Mabel Bagshawe]

1881 - Salford infantry barracks

John Frederick Crisp       39 - soldier b Birmingham
Martha Crisp               30 - wife b Machester
Mary Ann Martha Crisp   14 - b Ireland
Eliza Ellen Crisp                12  - b Ireland
John Frederick Crisp       10- b Chatham
Sarah Ann Jane Crisp         4 - b Aden

[Mabel Bagshawe]

still in Salford - 1891

John F Crisp    49 - [word unclear] instructor of volunteers b Birmingham
Martha Crisp    42 - b Chester
Sarah A J Crisp    12 - b Aden
Frederick I T Crisp    10 - b Salford
Charles H Crisp    8 - b Salford
George H Smith    5 - nephew

RG12, 3221, 146, 40

something doesn't feel right -  even if Sarah Ann Jane b Aden fits, where is Robert Henry b 1888

[rosie99]

Could this be Ian's sister Ruth (I can't see a birth reg in England)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NF3M-YKZ
it does not say her father is dead though, his occupation P W D India.
The image is on FindMyPast

She appears to be in Maida Vale, London in 1911

Worth keeping in mind 

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Yes definitely the wrong family

John F Crisp
Q3 1912
Age at Death -  71 (b c1841)
Registration district -    Salford

[rosie99]

Yes definitely the wrong family

John F Crisp
Q3 1912
Age at Death -  71 (b c1841)
Registration district -    Salford

I think it is probably the John F that married Martha in India though.  The military records have him leaving in 1881 Manchester.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Robert Henry's marriage?

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGV5-177

Someone has posted an image of this cert on Ancestry. Robert Henry is an army captain in 1/43 Erinpura Regiment. John Frederick's occupation not stated

His wife (actually Olive) dies a year later in 1921 - probate entry says she is of Grinpura, Rajputana and died at the British Station Hospital, Mt Abu Rajputana.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Yes definitely the wrong family

John F Crisp
Q3 1912
Age at Death -  71 (b c1841)
Registration district -    Salford

I think it is probably the John F that married Martha in India though.  The military records have him leaving in 1881 Manchester.

Agree - I'm fairly sure the John f who marries Martha in India isn't our man