Jacksons of Windrush

[pimpernel]

Hello everyone, I just discovered this excellent thread and wonder if anyone might be able to confirm or dismiss a brick wall theory.

My 3rd Great-Grandmother was Maria Jackson, she married James Herbert in Aldsworth on 7th November 1822. Census returns variously estimate her birth as 1797 in Aldsworth (1841), 1799 in Aldsworth (1851, mistranscribed by Ancestry), 1795 in Aldsworth (1861) 1797 in Bibury (1871). Her burial record suggests 1796. BUT - no birth record traced.

I'm currently limited to Ancestry & LDS records - There don't appear to be any BMD records for Jacksons in Aldsworth, or Bibury - however Aldsworth is a very short distance from the stonemason families of Windrush, so I'm theorising Maria's parents came from there.

The most likely household seems to be that of Anthony Jackson, who's first wife Ann (according to LDS) had children Elizabeth (3rd Sept 1794-) and Susanna (17th July 1796-18th May 1798) before her death in 1797 (A21.Tomb Stone: Ann, w/o Anthony JACKSON 2 April 1797). Was my Maria a third child of this marriage?  Evidence supporting this is her 1822 marriage record, one of the witnesses was James Jackson = Anthony had a younger brother James baptised in 1772. Also Anthony's eldest Aunt was a Maria, baptised 22nd Aug 1763.

The 1841 census shows a 60-year old Thomas Jackson living alone in Aldsworth - Anthony had a younger brother Thomas baptised 3rd Feb 1775.

So theoretically, my Maria could be the daughter of Thomas (he would have been a rather young father though, and I've not traced a marriage for him), or she could be daughter of Anthony of his first wife Ann, who was raised by her uncle Thomas perhaps. I've no evidence though - can anyone help? A baptism record for Maria would really sort it out!

As mentioned earlier in this thread, Anthony re-married Jane Taylor on 27th Dec 1805 and had several more children, I wonder if it might be the reason my Maria lived in Aldsworth rather than Windrush.

Many thanks!

[Capetown]

Although you can't find any more JACKSON's BMD IN Aldworth's -

If you look at the Forest of Dean Family History website

http://www.forest-of-dean.net/

(free to register)

Under the heading

Gloucestershire Marriage Allegations 1637-1837 and Marriage Bonds 1730-1823 - lots of JACKSONS's including

two records for  No. 11656 and 72870

13 November 1809

Joseph JACKSON over 21, c1788 Batchelor, residence: ALDSWORTH  ***

Sarah WICKS - over 21, Spinster, resident: Sherborne

Marriage by Licence and by Bond

He Marks

witness 1: William GILLETT a Yeoman of Sherborne

The groom and William GILLETT are bound in the sum of £200.  To marry at Sherborne 

This marriage is on Ancestry, and says Joseph JACKSON is of Ratley, and William GILLET and John JACKSON are witnesses.


You will also find in the same Marriage Bond etc

Anthony JACKSON of Windrich - to marry Anne CLIFFORD at 6 December 1793 at Stow
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Gloucestershire Baptism Index Cd starts after 1813

Baptism at Compton Abdale St Oswald - Eliza : 19 March 1815

Joseph (labourer) & Sarah JACKSON


and Ancestry has

Thomas JACKSON christened at the same place June 1812 - same parents.  He can be found on later census, in Warwickshire, born Compton Abdale.

Joseph JACKSON aged 66 born Aldsworth and a Widower is on the 1851 Census as a Patient in Gloucester St Owen and on the 1841 census aged 55 on his own at Compton Abdale

[pimpernel]

Many thanks Capetown

I logged into the Forest of Dean Family History website as suggested, sadly there don't appear to be any entries for Maria Jackson.

I noticed the reference to a Joseph Jackson in Aldsworth, estimated c.1788 birth. It's a curious entry - if related to my Maria then perhaps a brother, if I could identify his parentage it would perhaps give some pointers (a 1788-born brother would of course rule out Anthony & Ann Jackson as parents, as they only married in 1793). Ratley is in Warwickshire, near Banbury, so a considerable distance away - the other possibility is that this Joseph is not in fact related, and moved to Aldsworth from Ratley as an adult.

Several possibilities, but what's lacking is any firm reference to Maria Jackson. Hence my brick wall !

[pimpernel]

I've searched for the birth of a Joseph Jackson in Ratley, but haven't found anything matching him, or any other Jackson in the area.
P.S. I was going to post a snapshot of Maria's marriage record but the Forum doesn't appear to allow images now?

[Capetown]

If you look on Ancestry for baptisms at Aldworths as JACKSONS and not JACKSON (see marriage of Adam JACKSONS.

You fill find all the children at Aldsworth including

Maria JACKSONS - 11 August 1799 - parents: Adam and Elisth

Joseph JACKSONS - 28 November 1784 - parents: Adam & Eliz
William JACKSONS - 19 April 1789 - parents: Adam & Eliza
Eliz JACKSONS - 4 September 1791 - parents: Adam & Eliza

James JACKSONS - 23 February 1794 - parents: Adam & Elizabeth

(you will find James JACKSON on the 1851 census, aged 60 born Aldsworth living in Whittington, Glos, with his wife Mary - born Aston Blank and son Adam - aged 19 - born Shipton)

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Adam JACKSON (no S) - 13 December 1795 - parents: Adam & Elizabeth

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Ancestry has the marriage at Aldsworth - 23 April 1821

Ann JACKSON married Thomas KENDALL

witnesses were: Adam JACKSON and Maria JACKSON

Ancestry : Bishops Transcripts, Thomas KENDAL was a Widower of Great Barrington
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?  Marriage at Upton St Leonards - 18 November 1772  (both of this Parish)

Adam JACKSONS and Elizabeth RACKLEY ? by Licence - 18 November 1772

(see burials listed below)
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? This could possibly be the children of Thomas & Ann (Mary)** at Stow on the Wold - christian names seems familiar  (note: my x grandmother was sometimes named as Mary or Anne on her children's baptisms records)

Thomas (was a Shoemaker)

Richard - 26 January 1823
Thomas - 8 August 1824
Maria Elizabeth - 7 January 1827
Sarah - 20 July 1828
Joseph - 26 September 1830
William - 5 December 1837

Mary KENDAL buried at Stow - 20 January 1839 aged 37

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Ancestry

1841 census, Stow

RENDALL / KENDALL

Thomas  - 45 Bill Sticker
Maria Elizabeth - 15
Sarah - 13
Joseph - 13
Ann - 5

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1851 Census, Stow on the Wold

Thomas KENDALL - 54 Widower - Cordwainer & Sub-Bailiff - born Glos Great Barrington
Ann - 15

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Had a quick look at the Gloucestershire Burial Index CD (which starts from 1813)

Burials at Aldsworth

Adam JACKSON - aged 73 - 11 February 1827

Elizabeth JACKSON - 24 November 1837 - aged  82 (from Northleach Union Workhouse)

Thomas JACKSON - 15 August 1849 - aged 67 (from Northleach Union Workhouse)


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Gloucestershire Marriage Index CD from 1800

At Aldworth

James JACKSON married Hannah RANDALL - 14 September 1823


At Chedworth

Richard JACKSON of Aldsworth married Sarah HOLLAND - 19 November 1806.

Daughter : Jane Christened at Chedworth 15 May 1808

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There is on Ancestry:

UK Royal Chelsea Hospital Pensioner Solder Service Record

Richard JACKSON age abt 37 birth abt 1776 of Allsworth, Gloucestershire, 1813-1830: 56th Reg of foot

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To get some idea of the population prior to 1841 census etc.....

Gloucestershire Population tables from 1801 ' til 1901 - (every ten years) and the acreage can be found on

http://www.coaley.net/

(under the heading Local History)

Aldsworth in 1801 had 288 inhabitants etc etc





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The Forest of Dean Family History has the benefit of being able to search by witness only - may be going through the Aldsworth Marriages - Jackson's may be witnesses to other wedding.




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Look for family christian names used each generation...

Children of  James & Maria HERBERT inc

Elizabeth - 2 February 1823, Aldsworth
Anna Maria - 11 December 1825, Coln St Aldwyn
William - 31 October 1830, Coln St Aldwyn
Jane - 13 September 1835, Coln St Aldwyn

My x Great Grandfather :  is on the 1841 Census for Coln St Aldlwyn - the page before your Jackson family !!!  so our ancestors obviously knew each other.

**On the baptism records sometimes of  his children at Coln : parents names given sometimes as  John & Mary and sometimes, John & Anne

[pimpernel]

Oh my Goodness!! This is exactly what I've been looking for! How strange that the simple addition of an 's' to the surname completely removed these records in online searches! I stand in awe and respect, thank you Capetown!!

A fair amount to absorb and sort through so I'll get on with it, this opens up this line of my tree at last, very glad to know we might be related!

[pimpernel]

**On the baptism records sometimes of  his children at Coln : parents names given sometimes as  John & Mary and sometimes, John & Anne

I notice on the LDS site there's a marriage of an Adam Jackson to Sarah Mason 29 October 1781
St. Mary-De-Lode's, Gloucester, in addition to the 15 November 1772 marriage at Saint Leonards Upton to Elisabeth Rachley (or Rackly as it's spelled on LDS), so it seems these are separate families. Curiously both have a daughter Maria, born at very different dates. As these marriages are a distance from Aldsworth they could be of different families to my tree, in the case of the 1772 marriage why would there be such a gap before the eldest recorded child Joseph in 1784?

A lot to uncover of course!

[duport]

My 3rd Great-Grandmother was Maria Jackson, she married James Herbert in Aldsworth on 7th November 1822.

The most likely household seems to be that of Anthony Jackson ... Anthony's eldest Aunt was a Maria, baptised 22nd Aug 1763.

Although it looks very much as if Capetown has found your missing Maria (well done!), I haven't found any records for Anthony having an aunt Maria. Was she a Jackson by birth or marriage? The parents of Anthony (b. 1766) were Thomas & Elizabeth, and Thomas's siblings go from James (1733) to Benjamin (1751), all bapt. in Windrush. I haven't come across a Maria b. 1763. Can you give me her bapt. details?

What do you think, Capetown, about there really being 2 distinct families, JACKSON and JACKSONS?

[Capetown]

Glad to have helped, although we are not related - at least our Ancestors lived very close to one another.

Fortunately, once again, The Forest of Dean records have come up 'trumps' and by searching JACKSONS this time.  There are 53 JACKSONS listed in the Gloucestershire Marriage Allegations etc. another one from Upton St Leonards - later date.

Two records (this is combined)

18 November 1772

Adam JACKSONS - aged 21, = C1751 Batchelor, Labourer, residence: Upton St Leonards

Elizabeth/Betty RACKLEY - aged 21, Spinster, residence: Upton St Leonards

by Licence and Bond

He marks

Witness 1: the mark of John WELLS a labourer of Rendcombe

The groom and John WELLS are bound in the sum of £500.  To marry at Upton St Leonards

Transcriber's notes:  The bride is Betty aka Elizabeth.


As regards S not being there - in our family tree - we have the S at the end of the surname dropped even by brothers in the 1850's.


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Re: Richard JACKSON - who was in the 56th Reg Foot

He is on the 1851 census at Rodmarton, Gloucestershire

Richard JACKSON (Pensioner, Chelsea, Reg, Foot, born Aldsworth)  and wife Hester (born Tetbury)  - although the enumerator has written an S at the end of JACKSONS

and he is also there on the 1841 census