Finding ancestor from Prussia

[sugarbakers]

Hi Sugarbakers,
did you check Gotha for Herman Almeroth?
Regards
Rudolf

Yes, but no joy, Rudolf. Thank you for reminding me.

[sugarbakers]

reesie

That Old Bailey trial ...

http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/images.jsp?doc=184704050079

... shows it was George the sugarbaker, working at Bowman's in Alie St, Whitechapel ... the word servant being used for employee.

[sugarbakers]

... and these two from the 1851 census ...

Charles Haupt 13 and John Edward Haupt 9, both sons of a sugar baker journeyman, in Limehouse Workhouse (Childrens Establishment).
HO 107/ 1554/ 667.

I assume these to be George Charles 1837 and Edward John 1841.
Elizabeth Ann 1839 died 1840, I think.
William Adolphus 1843, a son?
Elizabeth, the mother, died 1846, John St.

... so where was George Ludwig in 1851 ?

[reesie]

Thank you so much for your help.  I am amazed!  What I don't understand is how you know where to look? 

George is a little older than we thought.  Seeing how hard the sugar bakers worked for less money than they should have, I felt sad to see how little the value of what he stole was compared to the riches of the owner.  How easy would it have been for him to get another job afterwards?  The theft happened after his wife,Elizabeth, died.  To think that his children (and I didn't know about John Edward) ended up in the workhouse - would that have been because he couldn't care for them or because he had died or left the country?  Might he have died in prison - effects of alcohol / withdrawal?

How can I find out how old the children were when they left the workhouse, if indeed both of them did?  And any more ideas how I can find out where George Ludwig came from and when?  I still don't know whether the Georg Ludwig I found in Brandenburg / Berlin is one and the same.

Thank you all so much!
 

[sugarbakers]

reesie

Limehouse Childrens Establishment
Limehouse Workhouse was situated in Church Lane, Limehouse. In 1838 the Board of Guardians of Stepney Union decided to use it for the accommodation of the children of the Union. By 1848 it had room for 400 children. It closed in 1873 when Stepney Union became part of the South Metropolitan School District and sent its children to the district schools at Sutton. (TNA - A2A)

You'll find the records of admissions and discharges at London Metropolitan Archives under ref: STBG/L/119/*, where * is the catalogue number of which ever of the half-year books you choose to look at.

George Ludwig was alive and working as a gate keeper in 1861 - according to son George C's marriage cert, but deceased by 1887 - according to son George C's second marriage cert.

Bryan

[reesie]

I saw that he was a gate keeper on that marriage certificate, but how can you tell he was still alive?  Sorry to ask so  many questions, but I'm  new at this and I'm trying to work out how to find out the information.  I noticed that neither George Ludwig nor Lydia's father, a mariner, were there as witnesses, so I thought they might be out of the country or dead. 

My brothers and I intend to go to London in April to do some searching.  Do you happen to know if George Ludwig's marriage certificate in 1835 would show his father's name like the more recent ones do?

Thank you so much for your patience and going out of your way to help like this.  I really appreciate it and I've found your website truly interesting.  It's made George Ludwig's life so much more real to me.

[sugarbakers]

I saw that he was a gate keeper on that marriage certificate, but how can you tell he was still alive? 

I can't, but it was the difference between the two certs that has made me consider it. I've been hunting for him in the Workhouses, but with no luck. I thought he might have been living with son George in 1861 census, but no ... George C (transcribed on A**y as Harriet rather than Haupt) hairdresser living by himself in Robin Hood Rd, Poplar, same address as marriage cert.
George Ludwig may well have returned to Germany, but I'm still thinking part of the problem is the writing/spelling/transcribing of Haupt as I can't find the two(?) younger boys either.

Sorry, George Ludwig's marriage entry at St Matthew, Bethnal Green, does not give occupations or fathers' names. George did sign the register himself, though his wife did not.

You might be new to this but you are asking lots of questions, the right questions, which means you'll get on fine.
As to where to find info - use whatever is available. Does your local library have free access to subscription sites ? (and remember this weekend is free on Find My Past on your own computer.)

[sugarbakers]

reesie

We have George L a sugarbaker in 1847, but his son gives his occupation as gate keeper in 1861. This may have been the last occupation he could remember for his father if he had either left the country or died, neither of which we can confirm at the moment.
Whatever happened after his imprisonment, and we know his two young sons were sent to the children's workhouse, George L may have sought help from the Society of Friends for Foreigners in Distress. Their help to many is recorded in annual books, some of which were published by Schulze & Co in London. It may be worth trying to find where these books, or the original records, are held, particularly as you plan a research trip to London.

[reesie]

Thanks Sugarbakers.  I've written an email to the Society to ask where their archives are. George Ludwig remains a puzzle.  We want so much to find out where he came from, but it seems to be extremely difficult.  I don't really understand the German sites I've tried looking at.  But I appreciate all the help and information you have given me.  Thank you.  Without it I'm not sure I would have found out even half of what you did or have a clue about his sad life and that of his children.