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Birch Family Wiltshire/Kent/Surrey
« on: Tuesday 10 February 15 10:37 GMT (UK) »
I am researching the Birch line for a friend. I am trying to find information on  a James Birch otherwise known as Burge born around 1837. I have his military records but no information on his first wife, parents or siblings. He had three sons by a second marriage to Mary Ann Scott. One of them was a John James Birch (1876-1962) who had 20 children. I am also trying to confirm the names of these children. Thank you in advance for any information.

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Re: Birch Family Wiltshire/Kent/Surrey
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 10 February 15 10:47 GMT (UK) »
Where was James Birch born and when did he marry Mary Ann
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Re: Birch Family Wiltshire/Kent/Surrey
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 10 February 15 11:01 GMT (UK) »
Hi Rosie it looks like James was born in Devizes Wiltshire in 1856 in 1891 census married to Mary A 41. Correction to his age on Anc. Should be born 1836.
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Re: Birch Family Wiltshire/Kent/Surrey
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 10 February 15 11:20 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Tina  ;D

I assume John James first marriage was to Eliza Emma Beerling in 1903 and that she died in March qtr 1911.  John J remarried in June qtr 1911

Marriage Jun 1911 
Birch    John J       
West    Ada L       
Eastry    2a   219

You should be able to establish any possible children from this marriage using freebmd stating surname Birch and mothers maiden name West

There are two baptisms showing on the free index on FindMyPast for children of a John James & Eliza Emma Birch.

John James Birch 1909 Littlebourne, St Vincent   

John James Birch 1911 Buckland (Dover) Workhouse   

The 1911 census shows possible other children for him
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Re: Birch Family Wiltshire/Kent/Surrey
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 10 February 15 11:35 GMT (UK) »
What information does James Birch marriage to Mary Ann Scott give on James and his father
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Re: Birch Family Wiltshire/Kent/Surrey
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 10 February 15 11:42 GMT (UK) »
The M/C is a must as in 1881 James birch is born c 1837,Havan, Berkshire.

Cant find him under Birch/Burge previous to this on Census conclusively.

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Re: Birch Family Wiltshire/Kent/Surrey
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 10 February 15 12:47 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all for your replies. James Birch is a widower and his father is down as John. He was born in Devizes (on his death record) but in two census records is shown as being born in Havan? Berkshire. He joined the Army at 17 in 1854 and completed 20 years service. His sons John James Birch and Charles William Birch both married women with the surname West, hence the difficulty with finding who belongs to who. John James married Ada West in 1911 his second wife.

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Re: Birch Family Wiltshire/Kent/Surrey
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 10 February 15 13:09 GMT (UK) »
What was James & his fathers occupation on the marriage certificate.

Do his army records give any indication where he was serving at the time of English census

OK so he was in the Army as Burge and served abroad for about 15 years

I think that going by his record this is where he was born
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Re: Birch Family Wiltshire/Kent/Surrey
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 10 February 15 19:42 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your help everybody, I did not have the information about the village-i was looking for Greychevron! I don't have John Birch's(Burge) occupation but James is shown as a soldier. There is a rumour the family have Romany connections but there is no proof of this.