NSW (?) Marriage and/or Death - Jane BAIN

[Bellejazz]

May I please again mention that the colony of Victoria was NOT formed until 1851 when it was hived off from the colony of New South Wales. 

But "British, White" people moved into the Districts that became Victoria in the 1840s particularly after transportation of convicts to NSW effectively ceased in 1840.  Then there was a labour shortage and there was a significant economic downturn, caused in part by adverse climate conditions, and in part by poor husbandry of a generation or so dating as early as the encroachment of settlers of the districts referred to by the various NSW Governors as "settled districts" and "outside the settled districts"....

Batman's purchase of what became Melbourne dates from June 1835.  The Henty brothers earlier settlement at Portland dates from 1834.  Of course there's Hume and Hovell's expedition to Corio Bay which was (from school days memory) about 1824  and Thomas Livingstone Mitchell's Australia Felix is from the 1830s.... (Fingers crossed I am remembering these names and years)....

So there's the spreading of British focused settlements radiating out from Sydney Town throughout the years before Gold Fever hit the news in 1851 in both colonies .... and then the rapid population growth brought shiploads and shiploads of people seeking their own immediate fortunes....

I think Canberra to Milton is about 200 Kms, and may I please also gently note that there were no motor cars, no macadamised roads, and there was and still is the Great Dividing Range of Mountains to be crossed from "Canberry" to Braidwood, from Goulburn to Milton, etc etc.  Oxen wagons usually travelled at about 12 miles per day.   Yass Plains to Milton is about 240 kms. 

Cheers,  JM

Well yes,  I am aware of those facts about the colonies of Vic & NSW, I'm merely speaking in modern geographic terms for simplicity.

Your point about modern roads and ox travel is noted. I was aware of this having a husband who has been a historian and worked in the museum industry for several decades; much of that time spent with horse drawn and early motor vehicles, so some of his enthusiasm has rubbed off over the years.

The fact remains however that despite the tyranny of distance and difficulties of travel, Bain/Appleby family members did live in these places, and the Clugstons did appear to have started out in "NSW" before travelling to "VIC" and then apparently returning to "NSW".

Thanks,
B.

[majm]

Who was Alexander CLUGSTONE, holding the Publican's Licence for the Commercial Hotel SYDNEY in 1840, 1841, 1842....  was he not Jane's guardian?


Cheers,  JM

[Bellejazz]

In your CLUGSTON family tree, have you identified this woman, Jane CLUGSTON?

Is it possible Jane used the CLUGSTON family name?

1529/1860 KELLY James
CLUGSTON Jane
COOMA

Sue

Henrietta and Alex Clugstons youngest child was Jane but she wasn't even born until 1860 so that can't possibly be her.

Could maybe, possibly be Jane Bain?

I did find a Jane Bain that married a William Neilson/Nelson in Victoria (town unknown) in 1857 which I intially though might be a lead but I found someone on Ancestry with this couple in her tree(s), and she has two versions of Jane with each having different people for the parents, neither being James Bain & Jane McKay, just to throw another spanner in the works!

Thanks,
B.

[Bellejazz]

Who was Alexander CLUGSTONE, holding the Publican's Licence for the Commercial Hotel SYDNEY in 1840, 1841, 1842....  was he not Jane's guardian?


Cheers,  JM

Potentially. I'm not sure how/if there's a means of determining that for certain though. I did think Clugston would be a faily rare name but it seems (at least from searching Ancestry) that's not entirely the case so I'm not going to take it for granted, lol.

Thanks,
B.

[majm]

Where were the children of Henrietta and Alexander born? There's baptisms in Sydney under both spellings, from 1838 onwards


1838
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTDG-R9X

1840
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTDG-RZS

1842
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTDP-HXW

Dec 1844
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTDZ-R6V
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTHJ-81Q

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

What documents do you hold to show that Alexander and Henrietta were settled in 1840-1841 in what became Victoria?

I can see that there's an Alexander CLUGSTONE arriving in Sydney on the ship Portland in 1837.  He came with a wife. 

Cheers,  JM

[Bellejazz]

Yes I've just gone and had a look at that and there are children under NSW births deaths and marriages from 1838 - 1844; between BDM and Ancestry I found:

John Clugston b. 1838, Sydney
John Clugston b. 1839, Sydney
James Clugston b. 1839, Sydney
James Clugston b. 1840, Sydney
William Clugston b. 1842, Sydney
Henrietta Clugston b. 1844, Sydney

I can't search VIC BDM directly but on Ancestry Birth & Death indexes I found the following all with parents Alexander & Henrietta:

Margaret Clugston b. 1848, Edwa. (?) Victoria
Robert Clugston b. 1850, Edwa. Victoria
Alexander Clugstone b. 1854, Campbells Creek, Victoria
Mary Ann Clugston b. 1857, Castlemaine, Vic
Jessey Clugston b. 1860, Amehurst, Vic

Along with a death for Henrietta (1860 - VIC) and Alexander Clugston is on the Electoral Rolls at Maldon in 1856.

So they started in Sydney and then came to the VIC goldfields ... and stayed here .... maybe.

My head hurts.

Thanks,
B.

[Bellejazz]

What documents do you hold to show that Alexander and Henrietta were settled in 1840-1841 in what became Victoria?

I can see that there's an Alexander CLUGSTONE arriving in Sydney on the ship Portland in 1837.  He came with a wife. 

Cheers,  JM

Yes that's them. I've downloaded the document from Ancestry and it says they married on board ship, she was travelling with her sister Mary. The rest of the Bains (Jane jnr, brother James, sister Elizabeth & their mother Jane) came the following year, also on the Portland out of Greenock.

All I had to go on for the "Vic" timeline was an email someone had sent me which I can't locate now  , however it certainly seems that was incorrect intel and that the Clugstons didn't go to "Victoria" until quite some time later.

The only thing I have atm which marks that change in location is the birth of Margaret in 1848 at Edwa. Victoria (wherever that is), and by this stage their ward Jane Bain would have been 16 years old so could have either gone with them or stayed in Sydney.

There wasn't much in the way of a useful lead for a Jane Bain of the right age on the NSW BDM site but there is that 1860 m. of a Jane Clugston to James Kelly in Cooma that Sue found, so that might be my next angle to research.

Thanks,
B.

[majm]

Yes, I think you will find they started in Sydney, and then moved south perhaps after Alex may have had an insolvency issue. 

NSW State Records Office
Alexander CLUGSTONE of Kent St, Sydney a Publican was sequested 14 Nov 1843 and the certificate issued 11 June 1844.
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=10&new=1

Cheers,  JM