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Re: NSW (?) Marriage and/or Death - Jane BAIN
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 10 February 15 09:07 GMT (UK) »
Is there some way of obtaining a certificate/printed copy of this info?

You have three choices...

View the microfilms available at many larger libraries, FHS's & archives:
Vol 102=MFilm 5040 &/or Vol 103=MFilm 5041

Order a transcription from one of the Agents OR copy a from the NSW BDM:
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html

oh yes, I only saw this on that page:

"The NSW Registry of Births Deaths & Marriages has records of births, deaths and marriages in NSW from 1856."

and missed this:

"Early church records from 1788 to 1855 are also available."

I have now ordered the record, I'll come and update if it provides good info :D

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Re: NSW (?) Marriage and/or Death - Jane BAIN
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 10 February 15 22:02 GMT (UK) »
I'm seeking info on:
Jane Bain (nee McKay)
b abt. 1792 Montrose, Scotland
widowed between 1832-38
arrived NSW in 1838 on the 'Portland' (aged 46)
However, I've not been able to find any further trace of their mother Jane after her arrival in NSW, so some help with tracking down this elusive woman would be most appreciated!
This death looks to be a high possibility:
Jean BAIN age 46yrs 1840
Parish: St Andrew's Scots Church, Presbyterian, SYDNEY
Ref: V18401461 102
Ref: V1840487 103

(I wonder what did become of Jane jnr then?)

That 1840 burial info found by Merlin drills down to the last week of September 1840 at the NSW BDM online INDEX website.

Over at the NSW State Records website, there's an INDEX listing for a 9 year old Jane BAIN being committed to the Female Protestant Orphan School 25 September 1840.   Here's the live link to that index, where there's the option to purchase the record that the index points to.  The record itself should help you to confirm or eliminate if that 9 year old was your Jane's daughter.
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/indexes-to-education-and-child-welfare-records/index-to-child-care-and-protection/index-to-child-care-and-protection

Cheers,  JM
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Re: NSW (?) Marriage and/or Death - Jane BAIN
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 10 February 15 22:36 GMT (UK) »
I'm seeking info on:
Jane Bain (nee McKay)
b abt. 1792 Montrose, Scotland
widowed between 1832-38
arrived NSW in 1838 on the 'Portland' (aged 46)
However, I've not been able to find any further trace of their mother Jane after her arrival in NSW, so some help with tracking down this elusive woman would be most appreciated!
This death looks to be a high possibility:
Jean BAIN age 46yrs 1840
Parish: St Andrew's Scots Church, Presbyterian, SYDNEY
Ref: V18401461 102
Ref: V1840487 103

(I wonder what did become of Jane jnr then?)

That 1840 burial info found by Merlin drills down to the last week of September 1840 at the NSW BDM online INDEX website.

Over at the NSW State Records website, there's an INDEX listing for a 9 year old Jane BAIN being committed to the Female Protestant Orphan School 25 September 1840.   Here's the live link to that index, where there's the option to purchase the record that the index points to.  The record itself should help you to confirm or eliminate if that 9 year old was your Jane's daughter.
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/indexes-to-education-and-child-welfare-records/index-to-child-care-and-protection/index-to-child-care-and-protection

Cheers,  JM


If it is 'my' Jane I find it quite sad that she ended up in an orphan school when she had 3 older sisters that could have taken her in.

:(

Looks like I'll have to order the record to find out, hopefully it will have her parents names on it.

Thanks JM

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Re: NSW (?) Marriage and/or Death - Jane BAIN
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 12 March 15 23:19 GMT (UK) »
Well I recieved the Orphan School record from NSW yesterday and it states that Jane was:

"Given to her brother in law Alex Clugston by the Governors order dated 14th June 1841 old book folio"

It appears that since the Clugstons were in VIC it may have taken some time after Jane Snr's death to arrange for Alex to go from Vic to NSW to collect Jane Jnr.

I'm still puzzled as to why she didn't end up with one of the siblings that was still in NSW but I guess I'll never know the answer to that, at least she ended up with family eventually though.

Thanks everyone for the help, I would never have untangled this without it :)
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Re: NSW (?) Marriage and/or Death - Jane BAIN
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 12 March 15 23:29 GMT (UK) »
So, in 1841 Alex CLUGSTON became her legal guardian/protector.    So she remained in NSW with her sister's family, (the sister who was the wife of Alex Clugston).   Afterall, at that time, New South Wales included what is now Victoria.   It would have taken some time for all the information to be exchanged simply because  the mails went by sea, and the overland routes were not yet fully established.

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« Reply #14 on: Thursday 12 March 15 23:35 GMT (UK) »
So, from the NSW SRO online index for Depasturing Licenses, Alex must have moved to Sydney,

Alexander CLUGSTON of Sydney, obtained a licence 30 Sept 1841 for depasturing his stock at Kerro, in the Maneroo district.

http://www.monaropioneers.com/pioneers.htm

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Re: NSW (?) Marriage and/or Death - Jane BAIN
« Reply #15 on: Friday 13 March 15 23:14 GMT (UK) »
So, from the NSW SRO online index for Depasturing Licenses, Alex must have moved to Sydney,

Alexander CLUGSTON of Sydney, obtained a licence 30 Sept 1841 for depasturing his stock at Kerro, in the Maneroo district.

http://www.monaropioneers.com/pioneers.htm

Cheers,  JM



How interesting!

That's the region where his wifes other sisters were; my ancestor Elizabeth Bain & husband Thomas Appleby lived in the Canberra area and some of their children raised their families in the Braidwood & Golburn region. Similarly, other sister Mary, married John Ferguson then Samuel Headcroft and raised her family in the Milton & Ulladulla area.

For those not familiar with NSW, most of these places are within about 100kms of each other.

Strange though, I have info that suggests that some of the Clugston children (of which there were at least 11), married and died in Victoria, including Henrietta (Jnr.) who married William Lidner in 1861 (she as 16), and died in Williamstown in 1920.

Perhaps the family did go to NSW but then returned to VIC at some stage?

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Re: NSW (?) Marriage and/or Death - Jane BAIN
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 14 March 15 01:01 GMT (UK) »
That's the region where his wifes other sisters were; my ancestor Elizabeth Bain & husband Thomas Appleby lived in the Canberra area and some of their children raised their families in the Braidwood & Golburn region. Similarly, other sister Mary, married John Ferguson then Samuel Headcroft and raised her family in the Milton & Ulladulla area.
For those not familiar with NSW, most of these places are within about 100kms of each other.
Strange though, I have info that suggests that some of the Clugston children (of which there were at least 11), married and died in Victoria, including Henrietta (Jnr.) who married William Lidner in 1861 (she as 16), and died in Williamstown in 1920.

Perhaps the family did go to NSW but then returned to VIC at some stage?



May I please again mention that the colony of Victoria was NOT formed until 1851 when it was hived off from the colony of New South Wales. 

But "British, White" people moved into the Districts that became Victoria in the 1840s particularly after transportation of convicts to NSW effectively ceased in 1840.  Then there was a labour shortage and there was a significant economic downturn, caused in part by adverse climate conditions, and in part by poor husbandry of a generation or so dating as early as the encroachment of settlers of the districts referred to by the various NSW Governors as "settled districts" and "outside the settled districts"....

Batman's purchase of what became Melbourne dates from June 1835.  The Henty brothers earlier settlement at Portland dates from 1834.  Of course there's Hume and Hovell's expedition to Corio Bay which was (from school days memory) about 1824  and Thomas Livingstone Mitchell's Australia Felix is from the 1830s.... (Fingers crossed I am remembering these names and years)....

So there's the spreading of British focused settlements radiating out from Sydney Town throughout the years before Gold Fever hit the news in 1851 in both colonies .... and then the rapid population growth brought shiploads and shiploads of people seeking their own immediate fortunes....

I think Canberra to Milton is about 200 Kms, and may I please also gently note that there were no motor cars, no macadamised roads, and there was and still is the Great Dividing Range of Mountains to be crossed from "Canberry" to Braidwood, from Goulburn to Milton, etc etc.  Oxen wagons usually travelled at about 12 miles per day.   Yass Plains to Milton is about 240 kms. 

Cheers,  JM
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Re: NSW (?) Marriage and/or Death - Jane BAIN
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 14 March 15 01:40 GMT (UK) »
In your CLUGSTON family tree, have you identified this woman, Jane CLUGSTON?

Is it possible Jane used the CLUGSTON family name?

1529/1860 KELLY James
CLUGSTON Jane
COOMA

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