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[heywood]

Hello,

1861 3507 /52 / 9
Rollers Row, 3 Holmes Lane, Kimberworth

Katherin Garon   wife, married 27 yrs b Ireland
John Garon 4 yrs
Mary Garon 3 yrs
Ellen Garon 5 months

Children born Masbrough.

Heywood

[heywood]

Transcribed as Gayman but looks like Gaynan
1871 4706 /21 /35

152 Herbert Place Kimberworth

Catherine Gayman widow  40 yrs housekeeper b Ireland, Tipperary
John Gayman 15 yrs
Mary Gayman 13 yrs
Ellen Gayman 11 yrs
Ann Gayman 8 yrs
Thomas Gayman 3 yrs
Margaret Gayman 10 Months
John Bentley lodger 40 yrs
Maria Bentley lodger 50 yrs

Children all born Rotherham

Births Rotherham
1868 Thomas  Gaynon
1870 Margaret Gainon

Possible Marriage Rotherham ?
1855 James Gannon and Catherine Foley

Possible death 1870 Rotherham
James Gannan

Where do you have the name Dominic? Is he named on a certificate?

[angelina ballerina]

hi Heywood
I have Catherine gaynon 1839 widow from Ireland on 1881 census. then I have Catherine ganon and dominic ganon, 1871 census Halifax , both born in Ireland. but to be fair there should be kids on the 1871 census. im finding it really difficult. my  interest is Thomas gaynon born 1868 on the 1881 census with Catherine his mum - as a possible father to Thomas Gainon born 1885 who is a definite. Catherines husband is the mystery to determine who belongs to who.

[heywood]

The information I have posted supports 1881 census.

Do you have a marriage for your Thomas with father's name? I just wonder where you have the information about Dominic.
I think Catherine and Dominic are not the right parents unless you have other evidence.

[heywood]

It all seems a bit complicated doesn't it.

The main thing is not to jump to conclusions.

You should start with your Thomas' birth certificate. Your other thread quotes the birth, I think.
I can see Thomas snr with 'wife'Mary (Green) but no young Thomas.
1891 3850/ 35/ 13

Mary seems to be then marry Thomas Kilmartin in 1896 and in 1901 your Thomas is boarding, together with John Gainon aged 7 yrs.
1901 4396/106

Is that what you have?

[angelina ballerina]

hi,
ive worked back from Thomas E Gainan 1912, only recently deceased, he spoke of a Catherine.
His father died in 1912 - also Thomas Gainon born 1886 - note the spelling change. he was on 1911 census with wife Emma, lodging at her parents in Goldthorpe.  We know this to be true.
So to find Thomas Gainon's father - I found Thomas Gaynon 1868 (with Catherine as head on 1881 census) and assumed I was on the right track. They are all local areas to us.
Then of course Dominic popped up.
 Do you think ive lost the thread with this 1881 census? looking at it now I think I might be barking up the wrong tree. Thanks, angie x

[heywood]

Yes, I think it could be muddled.
The 1881 census may well be true but probably Dominic is wrong.

As you are sure of Thomas who married Emma Farmer, do you have the marriage certificate?

Marriage
 March 1908   Doncaster vol 9c, page 932
Emma Farmer And Thomas Gainan are on same page.

This would give you Thomas' father.

Birth
June 1885 Rotherham vol 9c page 637
Thomas Gaynon

This would confirm Thomas' father's name.

[angelina ballerina]

hi
yea, ive just spoke to my cousin and she has no idea  where 'catherine' came about, so it could be Mary after all. we have the marriage cert for Emma and Tom, so we know that to be true. he died in 1912 as Thomas E Gainan was born, also sibling Sidney Farmer Gainon born 1911 but we think he died as a baby.
i'm going to have to look again at the situation now she told me Catherine is a red herring. Our tom was old though so we can forgive him getting a few names wrong . thanks, I really appreciate your help x

[heywood]

If you have Emma and Tom's certificate, who is his father and what is the occupation?