Richard Ansell Hayter ca 1825 Berkshire

[Lucy2]

Hi Josey

I'm not sure how interested you are in Edwin HAYTER, the son of Henrietta HAYTER, ... but I found some rather peculiar information about him.

 In the 1861 census his sister Henrietta was in England with a son, Edwin Richard J Hayter, aged 8 born in New Zealand.

Firstly, the 1861 census shows Henrietta's son only as Edwin (i.e. without the additional names).
However because his birth year and birthplace are a very good match for the man in the 1891 census, living at Lambeth/Brixton with a wife Helena and 2 children, I think it's reasonable to assume that this Edwin Richard HAYTER*, is probably the unnamed child born to Henrietta in 1852 in New Zealand.
[Note:  * The index at ancestry has this 1891 Edwin, recorded as "Edwin Richard J. HAYTER" ... however on checking the actual census image, it looks more like "Edwin Richd." (with the "d" written above the lower case "h") ... and the upstroke of the letter"H" of the surname HAYTER, looking like it could be a letter "J".    You'll see in following posts why I have mentioned this.    ]

   ~  Lu   
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[Lucy2]

So here is the (probable) marriage for the Edwin HAYTER (b. New Zealand abt 1852) who in the 1891 census (Lambeth) had a wife named as Helena.

St. Peters, Walworth, Surrey
6 January 1884
Edwin HAYTER - 30 years* - Widower - occupation:  Traveller
Residing at:   30 Sutherland Square
Father:    Edwin HAYTER (deceased) - occ:  Captain

Helena TAYLOR - 26 - spinster
Father:  George TAYLOR - occ:  Traveller

Witnesses:   Horatio Gr ...... ?   (poss ?  Grevillier  ?? )   and  W. THRIPP (Thrupp ?)
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So above Edwin HAYTER stated to be 30 years ... bc 1854 ??
 

[Lucy2]

Here is the (probable) marriage for the Edwin HAYTER (b. New Zealand abt 1852) who in the 1891 census (Lambeth) had a wife named as Helena.

St. Peters, Walworth, Surrey
6 January 1884
Edwin HAYTER - 30 years* - Widower - occupation:  Traveller
Residing at:   30 Sutherland Square
Father:    Edwin HAYTER (deceased) - occ:  Captain

Helena TAYLOR - 26 - spinster
Father:  George TAYLOR - occ:  Traveller

Witnesses:   Horatio Gr ...... ?   (poss ?  Grevillier  ?? )   and  W. THRIPP (Thrupp ?)
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So above Edwin HAYTER stated to be 30 years ... bc 1854 ??

[Lucy2]

The Edwin HAYTER who married Helena TAYLOR in 1884 (Walworth, Surrey) also claimed to be a "widower".

And there was this earlier marriage in 1874 ?

St Pancras Church, Middlesex --  11 February 1874

Edwin Richard William HAYTER - full age - bachelor - occ:  Publican
of 37 Judd Street
Father:   Richard HAYTER (deceased) - occ:  Mariner

Editha Almira MARRIOTT - spinster - full age - of 57 Judd Street
Father:  Charles Valentine MARRIOTT - Whitesmith (deceased)

Witnesses:  A. J. MARRIOTT and Elizabeth Rookes ? MARRIOTT
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[Note:   No real way of being certain from above info whether this is the same man who later married in 1884 - different father's name ... but occupations - "Captain" and "Mariner" are perhaps similar ? ]

However there is further info to follow which makes me think this E.R.W. HAYTER is the man who appears in 1891 with wife Helena. ??

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

"Ruapehu" to Wellington, New Zealand - departed Port of London,  England - 13 September 1893

E.R.W. HAYTER - occupation:  Compositor - Married - aged 40 years [bc 1853 ]
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Just looked again at the passenger list for above and E.R.W. HAYTER appears to be on the same ticket number, as the following people :

G.G.*  IRONS - 40 years - Occupation:  Printer
[* Looks like "G.G." but having done some "spade work" I think this man was one "Charles Clarke IRONS" who was an Artist (wood engraver ... later an author ). ]
 
- W. E. IRONS - male - aged 8 years
- S.C. IRONS - male - aged 10 years

So, a printer / a compositor ... was it some kind of partnership ?? maybe ERW working for this man ??

The two lads W E  (Wilfred Edward) and S C  (Seffried Charles) IRONS were the sons of Charles Clarke IRONS.    They all settled in Christchurch, although C.C. IRONS (who left a wife and other children behind in England in 1893) appears to have returned to London and married again in 1909 ?

  ~  Lu




                                                           

[Lucy2]

New Zealand Electoral :

1896 - Waikato - Thames roll

HAYTER - Edwin Richard William - Coromandel - Umbrella maker

NZ Marriage

Edwin Richard William HAYTER - Adelaide Mary BEAUMONT -- 1904

Electoral ... continued:

1911 / 1919 / 1925 / 1928 - Canterbury - Lyttelton roll
HAYTER - Edwin Richard William - 16 Denman Street, Sumner (1911 - occ:  Gardener)
HAYTER - Adelaide Mary - married
   ... on later rolls (same address) E.R.W. HAYTER is shown as "retired"

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

New Zealand Death

1934 - HAYTER - Edwin Richard William - 82 years   [bc 1852 ]

[josey]

All absolutely wonderful digging, thank you Lu. A lot of occupations eh  but co-incidentally Charles [see below] Hayter's daughter Eleanor married into an umbrella making Trowsdale family!!

On the other thread, Maddie found an 1881 census RG11/606/31/2
Lambeth Southville
Edwin Wheeler 28 born New Zealand hawker
Helena W 23 b Liverpool
William 3 b Liverpool
Florrie 2 b Liverpool

I see exactly what you say about the Edwin Richd on the 1861, you are correct. IF the same man could the occupation been falsely given, say by Edwin, for the 1893 voyage make him a more welcome immigrant but reverted to the trade he knew?

Do you think, if the given father Richard is correct for the 1884 marriage, Edwin may have been illegitimate in more than way? OR may Henrietta have become pregnant on the voyage back with the father the captain, or a mariner Edwin on her vessel? Maybe Henrietta never told Edwin who is father really was.

Really don't know who the William who accompanied Richard & Henrietta in 1851 is; I'll look around my Hayter files for someone not present on the 1851; it is possible brother John William died in 1858, having appeared on the 1851 census.

ADDED: I don't think I've mentioned on this thread that Richard Ansell Hayter's father Richard 1780 was elder brother to my 3 x g grandfather Charles Hayter 1787.

[Lucy2]

Burial - Bromley Cemetery, Christchurch, NZ

HAYTER - Edward* [sic]

d. 28 November 1934
Buried :   Plot 188 / Block 12

*  Burial record shows the name of "Edward" rather than Edwin - but date of death of this man is the same as for "Edwin Richard William HAYTER " :

http://heritage.christchurchcitylibraries.com/Cemeteries

   ~  Lu