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birth/baptism records for Francis Gorham born c 1815/16 london
« on: Tuesday 03 February 15 08:46 GMT (UK) »
Francis is my ancestor I have no info on his birth/baptism, born to Maria Brown(nee Searly/Sealy) who was married to an Abraham Brown 2/7/1815 at St Mary at Hill Middlesex, Abraham died 16/3/1817 buried at St Andrews Holborn London. Maria then married James Gorham 13/6/1821 at St martin in the Fields, London. Maria then died 27/4/1822 age 44yrs buried St Mary Abbot church Kensington. James then raised Francis as his own son (could have been?) I have no record of either Maria Searly/Sealy birth or her son Francis birth, note that on her marriage license Maria has added "Brown"to her christian name also on her marriage license.
Need to confirm Francis father if possible no clues anywhere I have looked.
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Re: birth/baptism records for Francis Gorham born c 1815/16 london
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 03 February 15 11:58 GMT (UK) »
We are really looking for a Francis (Brown or Sealy/Searly) born c1815 to a mother Maria then.  ;D

Does it give a place of birth for him other than just London on any census.

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Re: birth/baptism records for Francis Gorham born c 1815/16 london
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 03 February 15 12:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi Rosie, I can only assume that Maria is the birth mother of Francis as I have no confirming evidence, this is all complicated by Maria's marriage to Abraham then James, all I do know is that Francis went into being a clockmaker with James servicing Kensington palace as a Clockmaker to the Queen and Royal household, James held a Royal Warrant, they lived apart in the 1851 London census although a few houses apart.They both died in 1856 and are buried together in the same plot in the Kensal Green cemetery. The 1851 census notes Francis was born Kensington Middlesex.
Francis married Harriet Brough 4/12/1841 at St James Westminster they had 7 children, this is my ancestry- however who is Francis's blood father?.
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Re: birth/baptism records for Francis Gorham born c 1815/16 london
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 03 February 15 12:54 GMT (UK) »
Who does Francis name as his father when he marries?

As for who his blood father was, if he was born diring the marriage to Abraham Brown, then thereis really no reason to think it was anyone other than him. Even if for any reason you suspect otherwise, then there will be no way of knowing!
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Re: birth/baptism records for Francis Gorham born c 1815/16 london
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 03 February 15 14:59 GMT (UK) »
Who does Francis name as his father when he marries?

James Gorham - Watchmaker

So James Gorham married Maria Brown Searly
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJY1-5QN

According to the marriage record she was a spinster of  St Mary Abbott, Kensington. The marriage was by licence
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Re: birth/baptism records for Francis Gorham born c 1815/16 london
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 03 February 15 15:03 GMT (UK) »
Interesting, but might only go to show that James Gorham was the only "dad" he could remember, and that James really did take Francis on as if her were his own son. Relationships with step parents vary so much.
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Re: birth/baptism records for Francis Gorham born c 1815/16 london
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 03 February 15 15:05 GMT (UK) »
Sorry liz I added this after you posted

So James Gorham married Maria Brown Searly
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJY1-5QN

According to the marriage record she was a spinster of  St Mary Abbott, Kensington. The marriage was by licence
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Re: birth/baptism records for Francis Gorham born c 1815/16 london
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 03 February 15 15:12 GMT (UK) »
Spinster? So either she wasn't married to Abraham Brown (though OP has a marriage date) or she forgot to mention that she had been married before, or vicar just wrote it down wrong and she was a widow.
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DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: birth/baptism records for Francis Gorham born c 1815/16 london
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 03 February 15 15:23 GMT (UK) »
The Licence has her as a spinster, maybe the marriage record followed on from that.

Copper John,  how do you know that Maria was married prior to marrying James Gorham
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