jane Saul

[jimnic]

hi sparrett.
Saul had to sign 4 Minnies marraige. thats how I know her surname.

[majm]

Jane SAUL was the mother of my grandmother. She signed my grandmothers marriage permission as my grandmother was under age. My grandmothers name was Minnie Johnson,  nee  ;DMcCarthy.     I am unable to find any info on Jane SAUL.  She was buried as Mrs McCarthy in Tasmania, Australia.

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hi sparrett.
Saul had to sign 4 Minnies marraige. thats how I know her surname.

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At Karoola Cemetry , Lilydale Launceston.

Location L 102/C0416
MCCARTHY, Cornelius. Died 23 March 1903. Aged 53 years.
Sp. Jane.
Chn not named.

M CCARTHY, Jane. Died4 June 1915. Aged 53 years .
Sp. Cornelius
Chn not named

Sue

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Jane SAUL was the mother of my grandmother. She signed my grandmothers marriage permission as my grandmother was under age.

McCARTHY Minnie
JOHNSON Andrew
15 Feb 1906   Reg#722
Church of the Apostles, Launceston

Cando

If the marriage given by Cando is the correct one then the marriage certificate will also name both of Minnie's parents and give her age and place of birth.  Can you give us these details?

Debra 

Hi Everyone,   

As Minnie was married as MCCARTHY in 1906, and as her mum died as MCCARTHY in 1915,  is it possible that Jane SAUL's nee name was NOT SAUL.     Surely if Jane gave consent in 1906 for her MCCARTHY daughter (not yet 21 years of age) to marry, Jane would have been giving consent as Jane MCCARTHY.....   with MCCARTHY as Jane's known by name, even if there had been no formal marriage? 

Cheers,  JM   PS,  I am not finding it easy to read through a couple of the posts on this thread .... the apparent abbreviations and shortened expressions are confuddling me.    I find it actually slows my reading down, as I need to pause, go back over and over and sometimes even read the post aloud rather than rely on my grey cells to comprehend.   For example .....  "tHANX"  I had no idea that would 'translate' to "Thank You" especially as the same poster had previously typed up  "Thank You".    I am starting to understand that "4" is actually "for" and not "four"....   and perhaps "th" is "the" as in 'thanx 4 th info" and not "4th" (JM found it very confusing .... 'thanks 4th info' ) .....  At least I knew "info" as 'information' ....  Phew .....  But I have discovered my brain is trained to read 'words' and simply gets itself confuddled    when things are 'out of kilter'.    I apologise for not being more actively involved in helping on this thread.     I have probably been a typiste for too many decades....

[Dundee]

Barret was the 1st wife of Cornelius,  yes.  she lived for 1 year only, there is no reason given.

jimnic

Yes there is - the death register gives her cause of death as 'childbirth'.

http://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-47p12j2k

hi sparrett.
Saul had to sign 4 Minnies marraige. thats how I know her surname.

jimnic, are you getting your information from someone else?

Do you have Minnie's marriage certificate?  What are the names she gives for her parents and her age and place of birth?

Debra 

[sparrett]

Yes Minnie had brothers & sisters. I know all about Minnie.

                 jimnic

What were their names?

Where and when were they born?

Sue

[cando]

A couple of online trees seem to think Jane's maiden name was BIRD.

Births all stated to be in Tasmania but I can't find any registrations on my resource.

McCARTHY  Minnie -1976
McMARTHY Margaret Maria [Minnie] 1880-1913
McCARTHY John Thomas 1882-1960
McCARTHY Caroline Jane 1885-1970
McCARTHY George Herbert 1889-1960

BUT where is the Alice who inserted an in memoriam notice in 1920?.

Wonder if Cornelius had a Will?  I can't get the new Tas archives website to load.

It would be helpful if you would please type up ALL the information on the marriage certificate exactly as it is written.  It would also be helpful if you would snip and attach the section of the certificate where Jane' signs.

We can only help you if you answer the questions posed by members of the forum.

Cheers 
Cando

[cando]

Australian Electoral Roll
1903, 1914
McCARTHY Jane  Bangor  Domestic Duties
McCARTHY John  Bangor  Farmer
McCARTHY Marion Bangor  Domestic Duties

Cando

[sparrett]

  Wonder if Cornelius had a Will?  I can't get the new Tas archives website to load.

 
Cheers 
Cando

No, I don't see one.
There is an  inquest proceedings document for him re the burst blood vessel, but seems not digitised .

[jimnic]

Minnie McCarthy was temporarily staying in Launceston Tasmania. Minnie was born in Bangore. Tasmania.   Minnie McCarthy married 15 February in 1906 to Andrew Johnson. 21 yrs. Church of the Apostles   Minnie  even gives her mothers name exactly as   Jane  ( Saul ) McCarthy. on the Marriage certificate.    Minnie’s  mother signed the Consent form exactly as   Jane (Saul ) McCarthy.              Not Bird.
Minnie had 12 Children. Children;         Herbert  ( Bert ) William Johnson    - d 1965.
Andrew James ( William )     1906 – 1956.             Mary  Johnson     1908 –
Alice ( Biddy ) Johnson         1909 – 2004.         George Henry Johnson  1912 – 1956.
Laurence ( Cobber ) Kenneth Johnson 1917 – 1987 Raymond ( Ray ) Allan Johnson      1919 – 1979.
Ralph Johnson   1921 – 1922.     Alfred (Toby ) Ernest Johnson b- 1 Oct 1914. ,Death 1997 in Hobart, Tasmania, Australia.         Hazel ( Jane ) Margaret  Johnson  1923 – 2008.
Doris Johnson, 1924- 2010        Kathleen Johnson,       I do not know where they were born.
I don't know if Andrew had a Will.
Jimnic.

[sparrett]

  Minnie McCarthy married 15 February in 1906 to Andrew Johnson. 21 yrs. Church of the Apostles   Minnie  even gives her mothers name exactly as   Jane  ( Saul ) McCarthy. on the Marriage certificate.    Minnie’s  mother signed the Consent form exactly as   Jane (Saul ) McCarthy.              Jimnic.

Good to get the names of the children

So, we see from your statement above that after all, SAUL was the middle name of the mother, NOT her surname at any time.

It is an important difference.

It is still quite possible her MAIDEN SURname was BIRD.

Her MAIDEN SURname was not requested at her daughter's marriage .

ADDING, Are you able to tell us the names of the Brothers and sisters you say Mnnie MCCARTHY had?

Sue