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Re: jane Saul
« Reply #45 on: Tuesday 03 February 15 02:13 GMT (UK) »
Thank you :)

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I have all the other information.

Having information and knowing whether it is correct is a totally different matter.
Have you considered JM's suggestion to search the parish records for the baptisms of the children to Cornelius and Jane?  There are many online trees and all have differing information.

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Minnie’s  mother signed the Consent form exactly as   Jane (Saul ) McCarthy.

It would appear that it isn't actually Jane's signature just her name as giving consent.

Who were the witnesses to the marriage?

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Re: jane Saul
« Reply #46 on: Tuesday 03 February 15 03:33 GMT (UK) »
Yes, Thank you.

May I jot some thoughts down. 

Well,  I can see various names inside those brackets.   The scribe's writing at first glance seems to be 'legible', and it seems to be Saul.   Then when I next look, after reading the bride's name .... was given to the Marriage of .......   I read the bracketed name  as Lane, and when I showed one of my colleagues who is of the same vintage as me,  they read the bracketed names as Laurel, and the bride's given name became their focus

I am not at all convinced that the name in the brackets represents Jane's nee or former surname.  But then again, I am not familiar with the paperwork required for a Roman Catholic priest to conduct a marriage in Tasmania.    I am NSW centric, but even in that aspect,  I am not overly educated in the Roman Catholic Administrative system.      So,  I cannot say for example that this Consent form was prepared at the same time as the parish register was prepared for the bride and groom to sign.  I do note that the wording suggests to me that this Consent form was completed AFTER the marriage ceremony (was given) .... but was that form completed on the day of the marriage, or perhaps days/weeks/ later.   

Does the priest forward the details to the Tas BDM on a weekly, monthly or quarterly basis.   .... So, could he have delayed completing his administrative responsibilities until the end of the quarter .... So, could he be relying on his memory or reading from his diary notes.

What info has the clergy written on the actual marriage certificate itself? 

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Re: jane Saul
« Reply #47 on: Tuesday 03 February 15 04:36 GMT (UK) »
The minister officiating at the marriage of Minnie, D. F. X BEECHINOR had a long and illustrious career in Tasmania and was most highly esteemed.
Here is a small item about him
 
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/52394844

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Re: jane Saul
« Reply #48 on: Tuesday 03 February 15 07:55 GMT (UK) »
I agree with Cando, the name as it appears on the document was not written by Jane herself.

Like majm, I am unsure whether it is a nee name or??

However quite possibly it was an interpretation of verbal information, spoken to the officiating person and written as best as good be fathomed.

Literacy  rates among the population of the time were low and accents variable.

There was a family names SOWELL which is one of many a possibility!

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Re: jane Saul
« Reply #49 on: Wednesday 04 February 15 03:42 GMT (UK) »

"...jane SAUL born  ?    died 1915.                  CORNELIUS McCARTHY   1852- 1903.
THEIR CHILDREN.ALICE, JOHN, GEORGE, MARGARET, SARAH, CARRIE, ANN, MARY, MINNIE".

How have you identified these people to be children of Jane and Cornelius, and siblings of Minnie?

Can you please give a full transcription of the marriage certificate 1906....I cannot see if it has been done here already.

The death certificate for Jane McCARTHY d. 1915 would be useful to you. It should have birthplace, age/s at marriage/s, time in the colony (if born elsewhere), children born.
Children would be counted as number of males / females, alive / deceased.

From TAS BDM Federation Index
birth JOHNSON female 26 Jul 1908  parents Andrew William / Minnie Amelia

This second given name might be useful in locating Minnie.

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Re: jane Saul
« Reply #50 on: Saturday 25 March 23 20:52 GMT (UK) »
First time user, I have read this thread with interest as Jane is my great great grandmother as her daughter Margaret 1880-1913 married James Millwood and their child Cornelius was my grandfather. I have recently done a DNA test and apart from the expected Uk, Scotland, Ireland links there was a 3% link to Central and Eastern China which was a surprise. I have narrowed it down to the McCarthy side by looking at DNA from other members in that lineage and it appears to begin with Jane and Cornelius. I have explored Cornelius's parents and siblings but no evidence of any Chinese DNA through that line so I have to assume it comes from Janes liniage but there is not much info to be found. I have found a birth certificate that may be her which lists her parents as James Bird an Ann Rickett (both convicts) and have also seen a marriage permission document for them. I am not sure if this is her parents? Has anyone else had a DNA test showing the Chinese ties? It doesnt appear in James and Anns other children so I am wondering if I have the right parents? a bit of a road block at this point, anyone else found anything re our mystery Jane?