death of william atkinson

[rayaco]

So sorry Merlin, did not realise there was a link. Thank you very much, very interesting.

[rayaco]

Many thanks, very interesting. Trying to find Williams parents and his exact birth date, but think it is 1788. Others Williams born much later. Our William had a son in 1823, Robert in England. William was dead when his son Robert got married in 1852.

[JenB]

He was born in england and went to australia after 1823. Don't know the circumstances, why he went to australia.

I don't normally inhabit the Australia board, but as you stated that William was born in Newcastle upon Tyne I became interested.

I wondered what actual evidence you have of his move to Australia?

William Atkinson born 1788, Newcastle upon tyne, England.

You say he was born 1788 but don't know the names of his parents, so presumably haven't found a baptism? What then is your source for his date and place of birth?

[rayaco]

it is what came up in ancestry. it said look up on australian index for his death. ancestry also came up with a family tree, which william married jane langlands and also a marriage in 1806 to mary adamson and a branch of children with no mother, just william as father, which came up with robert atkinson. trying to find a birth for robert, as william is named as his father on roberts wedding to jane neil. can you help us with finding out if it was robert atchison or atkinson, that was living at catterick buildings, headlam street, byker, off shields road? As it gives this address on his son's birth cert, jeramiah atkinson. Thank you

[majm]

Agh,  If I am understanding your post correctly,  you are trying to match up your own validated research about William from his grandson (Jeremiah's) birth cert and from the marriage cert of Jeremiah's parents to 'information' you can find on submitted tree/s at Ancestry and with Ancestry's Australian death index.   

May I gently express concern .... 

The Ancestry index is actually a compiling of a number of already existing freely available indexes, so it is an index of an index.   

Trying to validate information found on a submitted tree is fraught with flaws, even when there's sources cited.   It is akin to putting the horse behind the cart and expecting the cart to move the horse. 

May I ask a direct question     Apart from what came up in ancestry, what gives you reason to believe your William: 
a) left the UK  (migrated/sentenced to transportation/went to sea/ joined the army and was sent overseas etc)
b) came to Australia (which of the six colonies / New Zealand / France/ Canada/ USA/ or anywhere overseas)
c) did not die in the UK

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Here’s an example of why I become concerned about submitted trees.  This is “information” found on an online submitted tree.

William ATKINSON, birth about 1788, death 1849 in Victoria Australia.
Birth abt 1788
Baptism 9 April 1780 at Hebburn (near Morpeth) Northumberland, England (So that tree owner has it that their William was baptised  BEFORE being born, wow !)

And apparently (according to that submitted tree I have found online) their William was TWICE married, and both wives were alive and having his children while the other was still alive.    I think it more likely there were at least two men named William Atkinson     

This is what they have for those two marriages 

Marriage to Jane Langlands 15 Jan 1803 Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England gives children to William and Jane from 1802 to 1823,

Marriage to Mary Adamson, 3 November 1806, Hebron Parish Church, Morpeth, with two children of that marriage, one born 1809 and the other in 1816.

There's no mention of how that William got from England to Australia  on that submitted tree.   

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Many thanks, very interesting. Trying to find Williams parents and his exact birth date, but think it is 1788. Others Williams born much later. Our William had a son in 1823, Robert in England. William was dead when his son Robert got married in 1852.

Hi Everyone,

Just sharing some info from an earlier, but still current thread
 
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=580391.msg4447169#msg4447169


Hi, We finally have a marriage certificate, which is for Robert and Jane, the surname of Robert on the marriage cert is Atchison and for Jane is Neal. Durham registry office did a search for us and this is what they came up with. This is the only marriage with a marriage of robert and Jane, in that area, so must be them. Their children are all down as Atkinson. Robert's father's name is William Atchison, a Pitman. Jane's father is John Neal, a mariner. Robert and Jane are residents at Byker Bar, when they got married. Any advice about the name change and how to proceed?  Thanks

After a quick read of that thread, the mc referred to was for a marriage in May 1852.   I did not see any mention on that thread to William Atkinson being noted on that mc as deceased, but I am not sure if that notation would have been a standard notation at that time.   

Cheers,  JM

[JenB]

After a quick read of that thread, the mc referred to was for a marriage in May 1852.   I did not see any mention on that thread to William Atkinson being noted on that mc as deceased, but I am not sure if that notation would have been a standard notation at that time.   

It wouldn't. All depended on whether the information was asked for or offered 

[majm]

 

There’s another submitted tree ….. this time
William was born in 1791 at St Giles, Durham, and married Durham 23 Jan 1808 to Ann Lawson.


And he was very busy in 1849.   He married in Longford, Tasmania in 1849,  and he died in Melbourne, Victoria 1849….

Anyways, William and Ann …. They had a son, Robert Atkinson, born 11 June 1808, Durham, Durham, England…. .

However, errrr ….. that tree continues to show that that deceased William (Ann’s husband, and Robert’s Dad) was in 1851 at Grayrigg, Westmorland, England, and in 1871 he was in St Giles, Durham.   

Someone has made a comment on that submitted tree, noting: 

The Wm ATKINSON who married in Tasmania was 35 years of age in 1849……..  Marriage …. Mary Ann MCHUGH aged 23 .   Married 24 Sept 1849.  557/1849  Ref RGD37.     The comment reads  “How could Wm be back in England after he died in Victoria in 1849?”   Cannot see any reply.


Another submitted tree has William's death as 1833 Burn House, Winlaton, but his marriage as 1849 in Longsford Tasmania.        
 

Cheers,  JM