death of william atkinson

[JenB]

William was dead when his son Robert got married in 1852.

Rayaco,

Please can you clarify - does the 1852 marriage certificate state categorically that William was deceased?

Or are you assuming he was dead by 1852 because an unsourced Ancestry tree says that he died in Australia in 1849?

[majm]

You assuming that this William ATKINSON is yours just by his name & age alone you will find hard to prove

Death: (this is a church record)

William ATKINSON 61yrs d. 1849 MELBOURNE Reg:4710
Church of England, Parish St James, MELBOURNE Fiche:1078

Inquest:

William ATKINSON 1849 Ref:15
Place: Melbourne Watch House
Cause: Visitation Of God exhaustion
Occupation: Prisoner

Newspaper: (Inquest & other details)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article4770731

    

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTC3-K35

Cheers,  JM

[JenB]

I note that one of the trees bases it's estimate of William's birth date of 1788 on the fact that someone called William Atkinson died in Australia in 1849 aged 61

[rayaco]

On mc it states DEC under Williams name, so we thought it meant deceased, as it says the same for jane father. Quite agree information does not seem to tally on ancestry, so we are trying to follow the treads to see if we could tie them in. Can't find any records of williams birth and who he married, or who robs mother is. have sent away to various places for copies of robs birth christening reg, but to no avail. Have asked and paid for some searches but still no joy. Have sent away to geaneology society to find out if they have any records regarding bmd of william. Waiting for a reply. there are too many williams and we need to find which one is which. Thank you once again for your interest and help.

[majm]

I seem to have missed the response to my questions   

May I ask a direct question     Apart from what came up in ancestry, what gives you reason to believe your William: 

a) left the UK  (migrated/sentenced to transportation/went to sea/ joined the army and was sent overseas etc)

b) came to Australia (which of the six colonies / New Zealand / France/ Canada/ USA/ or anywhere overseas)

c) did not die in the UK

I have not found any reason to suggest that your Jeremiah's paternal grandfather came to Australia.

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

On mc it states DEC under Williams name, so we thought it meant deceased, as it says the same for jane father. Quite agree information does not seem to tally on ancestry, so we are trying to follow the treads to see if we could tie them in. Can't find any records of williams birth and who he married, or who robs mother is. have sent away to various places for copies of robs birth christening reg, but to no avail. Have asked and paid for some searches but still no joy. Have sent away to geaneology society to find out if they have any records regarding bmd of william. Waiting for a reply. there are too many williams and we need to find which one is which. Thank you once again for your interest and help.

Yes, DEC is the likely abbreviation used by clergy for "deceased".      I understand that civil registrations of BMD events commenced in England in 1837.   So, for events prior to that date, there  were Church Records, and these Records were not governed by statute laws, but by Church Laws. 

Cheers,  JM

[fastfusion]

i wish to add a comment here>

firstly I have done a little work on the Atkinson family of Tasmania during the penal settlement, and next I have done Atkinson research for the North Queensland branch,  then I have done Atkinson research for a marryin to the Shergold family of the UK.     There is one big point being overlooked here for the whole post...... which started right in the beginning......   to what do we owe the pleasure of the evidence for which the William comes from initially. Must we not prove his parental and christening structure before any answer can be given on any speculation of death in 1849..... and my next point is and always be.....  anc does not have the entire population of the planet within its data banks and probably never will so any information from that forum is probably already shared amongst us on this post.......  again I will make clear that when , in the olden days , of doing genealogical research in Australia....    THE MICROFISCHE for the deaths of Australia are very well indexed and probably not in total online anyway.... similiarly the International Genealogical Index portrayed on fs.o then duplicated on subscription sites was far from ever being close to the true values so there may be more Williams than this chatterer has seen listed on the post.

let us start with some clarification of from whence the William came as to prove a death in Australia we need a maiden name.

thankyou     ....... for letting me come forth ....
 

[JenB]

     There is one big point being overlooked here for the whole post...... which started right in the beginning......   to what do we owe the pleasure of the evidence for which the William comes from initially. Must we not prove his parental and christening structure before any answer can be given on any speculation of death in 1849.....

Not quite overlooked - I asked the question in reply #11 

William Atkinson born 1788, Newcastle upon tyne, England.

You say he was born 1788 but don't know the names of his parents, so presumably haven't found a baptism? What then is your source for his date and place of birth?

[majm]

William ATKINSON aged 37 was buried 18 May 1823 at Parramatta NSW Australia by the Rev Joseph KENYON.   

NSW BDM Early Church Records :  5763/1823 V18235763  2B  and 1364/1823 V18231364 14B

(Not at all unusual to find two or more references for the one event on the NSW BDM's Early Church Records, one is usually a transmission of the other). 

Cheers,  JM