Bedfield. Was the family name Frener or Freuer?

[hookleg]

Is anyone able to give a definitive answer about the name. It is split about 50/50 on the records I have looked at. These include census, Birth, marriage and death, plus electoral rolls, and I seem to be the only one who has decided on Frener on ancestry trees. I think it is a matter of deciding on handwriting on the records unless, perhaps, anyone has records of graves at Bedfield but I have looked at gravestonephotos.com and Bedfield graves are not yet recorded.

George Bolton (abt 1825-65) married Susannah Frener/Freuer 1847. Lived Bedfield
Daughter named Sarah Frener/Freuer Bolton (1853-91) Born Bedfield, married George William Wright 1872. Lived at Stonham Parva.
Grand daughter Rebie Frener/Freuer Wright (1884-1940) born Stonham Parva died Brentford Middlesex.
I have info on some other family members. Its the name I would like to clarify with evidence if possible. As I say the split is about 50/50 on records on Ancestry.Thanks

[lizdb]

have you looked at original records of just transcripts?
My advise would be to look at original records and make your own decision!

[hookleg]

Early records seem to suggest Frener, but hand written. Where it has been used as a middle name it is often just "F" or not there.
1911 Census has Frener, but could be interpreted either way from the handwriting.
One Ancestry transcriber has put it as Freuer and the much later London electoral registers 1929, 30, 32, 37, which are all typeface, have Freuer. So still none the wiser!
Ideally need a headstone  with the family name on, but haven't found parents of Susannah. Susannah was married and would have been buried as a 'Bolton'. Probably the answer, if it exists, will be found in a village churchyard in or near Bedfield.

[lizdb]

1911 was filled in by the householder, so if they wrote Frener then that seems most likely.

I would not know how to pronounce Freuer, so would anticipate all sorts of "spellings" if that was the name, back in the days when few were literate and spelling did not count for much.

Not sure what you mean about it just being "F" in the case of a middle name. If records just say F, then surely you do not know if stands for Frener (or Freuer ) rather than any other name beginning with F!

[lizdb]

Marriage
Oct/Nov/Dec 1847
Hoxne
Ref 13 1133
Susannah Frener / George Bolton

Have you got this marriage cert to see how her name is spelt and how she signs it?

[hookleg]

The hand written index says Susannah Frener, Hoxne Vol XIII P433. but as it was 1847 I wonder if it is just a reference to the parish record and it is fairly likely that in a rural community of that date one or other of the couple would have signed by putting their mark.
With regard to 'F':-
1891 England Census    Rebbie 'T' Wright  But a transcription error for 'F'
1901 England Census     Rebbie Wright
1911 England Census Rebbie Frener Wright
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 Rebbie F Wright
England & Wales, Free BMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 Rebbie Frener Wright
London Electoral registers all have Rebbie Freuer Wright

[lizdb]

The reference is from the gro index of marriages (wherever they were held, parish, non conformist etc)

The things you are referring to , generally, are transcripts.

That is why I suggested you look at originals! Like the marriage cert. Yes, she may have only "made a mark", but you wont know till you look at it. And you can see how the vicar AT THE TIME spelt the name (OK only his idea of how it was spelt, but he would have heard the name said, and Frener and Freuer would sound very different).  Much better than either the index (relying on the indexers reading of the vicars writing) or Ancestryes index of that index, relyoing on their transcribers interperatation of the gro indexers interperatation of the vicars writing!

Likewise Rebbies birth cert - how is her name written on her birth cert? (Not a census, or an index or transcript), but how did the Registrar write it AT THE TIME, when her mum or Dad had just said it?

Do you see what I mean?

[Annette7]

Bedfield burials are on FindMyPast going back to 1700's and there are 27 as Fruer, Freuer, Frere, Frewer and only 2 as Frener!

Susannah's baptism is on familysearch:

Susanna Fruer bp.13/8/1815 Bedfield, dau. of William and Sarah
plus
Alfred Fruer bp.7/3/1813 Bedfield,          ditto

William Freuer bc.1765 bur.12/1/1837 Bedfield
Sarah Freuer bc.1780 bur.17/3/1846 Bedfield

Just enlarged original page of 1841 census (transcribed as feener) and I would say it is FREUER.

Would definfitely seem like Fruer/variants rather than Frener to me.

Annette

[Annette7]

Susanna's brother Alfred married as Frewer, appears on 1851 census as Freuer, died in 1886 as Frewer.   

The sounds between the 2 names Frener and and Freuer are really quite different and all 3 events shown above for Alfred suggest it is Freuer.

Annette