James WEIR of Celtic (Scotland) and Middlesboro Football team

[bill sparrow]

Hi.
I have a gap in family tree concerning James WEIR and Elsie SMITH, and their family. I believe they emigrated to Australia from the UK. They had a son, who I think was also called James. He may have married a lady called Muriel. In the early 1900's James WEIR senior played football for Celtic,  in Scotland, and later was sold to Middlesboro. After his football career I think he ran the Crown Hotel in Middlesboro. This would have been in the 1940s. I think they lived in Redcar at one time.  The details of the last known contact are very vague. The son and his family lived in the Melbourne area and were visited by a relative, Rena. There is a verbal mention of a Donald and a Margaret WEIR. Children perhaps?
Any details gratefully received.

Billy

[sparrett]

Hi Bill
Your request is a bit difficult to follow.

Which parts of the story took place in England and which parts in Australia?

Did James snr and wife come to Australia after the football career?

When and where was James jnr born?/married?

We would like to help if we can

Sue

[cando]

Marriages Jun 1913 
WEIR James  Middlesborough 9d/999
SMITH Elsie  Middlesborough  9d/999

Deaths Dec 1959 
WEIR    James    74    Cleveland    1b/642
Deaths Mar 1960
WEIR    Elsie    68    Cleveland    1b/665

Births Sep 1914 
WEIR James  Smith   Middlesbro 9d/1124

Marriages Sep 1937
WEIR James  Cleveland 9d/1370
PEARSON Muriel I   Cleveland 9d/1370

Deaths Jun 2001
WEIR James  87 years  North Yorkshire  G4/6501G/26
Born    8 Jun 1914

Births Sep 1922   
WEIR    Margaret Smith Middlesbro'  9d/1029   

Births Dec 1928
WEIR    Donald    Smith  Middlesbro'    9d/869

Cando

[cando]

I think they lived in Redcar at one time.

This man born c1928.

Donald WEIR 25 years, Motor Engineer, embarked from Southampton on 18 Jun 1953 on the SAMARIA ticketed to Quebec, Canada.  Country of last permanent residence England.  Country of intended permanent residence, Canada. 
Last address in the UK 33 Walnut Grove, Redcar, Yorkshire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne,_Ontario

Cando

[KGarrad]

Some football details here, including photo:
http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Weir,+Jimmy

There's also a forum entry  from 2011, of a relative tracing family history?
Maybe you could make contact?


Finally, his Middlesbrough playing record:
http://www.11v11.com/players/james-weir-48596/

[cando]

From the link

Post playing, Jimmy and his son ran the Crown Hotel in Redcar.

Cando 

[bill sparrow]

Thank you Cando, KGarrad and Sparrett.

Your posting summarises pretty well all I know. Much of my knowledge is third hand , oral history in the family. We all know how that can be misdirecting, even second hand!
 I do not know whether James (Jimmy) and Elsie left England to live in Australia.
I think it was James and Muriel who emigrated to Australia, and were visited in the Melbourne area by another relative  - distant to me - probably in the 60's. At this stage I am not sure if Jimmy and Elsie had 3 children; James (b. 1914), Margaret (b. 1922) and Donald (b. 1928).
To tell completely all I know, in the very back of my memory is a tale that Jimmy was found dead , collapsed  behind a door, and Elsie died a year later. That fits with the record that a James Weir died at Cleveland in 1959 and an Elsie Weir at Cleveland in 1960. Search of the local papers has not yielded any information, as yet.

Bill

[cando]

I think it was James and Muriel who emigrated to Australia, and were visited in the Melbourne area by another relative  - distant to me

They had a son, who I think was also called James. He may have married a lady called Muriel.

Births Sep 1914
WEIR James  Smith   Middlesbro 9d/1124

Marriages Sep 1937
WEIR James  Cleveland 9d/1370
PEARSON Muriel I   Cleveland 9d/1370

Deaths Jun 2001
WEIR James  87 years  North Yorkshire  G4/6501G/26
Born    8 Jun 1914

So you don't think this is your James and Muriel?  Perhaps you need some certs.

Cando