John Waddell the Martyr

[jimmain]

John was hung at Magus Muir 1679, for his alleged part in the murder of Archbishop Sharp. He is known to have had a son John born 1679, who married Mary Waddell. I came across information indicating that he had a daughter Sarah, born 1666, Glasgow, who married John Winning. I have not been able to prove this and am wondering if anyone can confirm that this information is correct.

[Forfarian]

If true, it's pretty shattering new info for us Waddell researchers, Jim. Where did you 'come across' it and what exactly does it say?

[jimmain]

I came across this on a tree in Ancestry. It didn't appear right to me and I was not able to confirm any of this. That's why I was wondering if anyone had information that I haven't been able to uncover.

[sancti]

http://www.thereformation.info/james_sharp.htm

[Forfarian]

Thank you, Sancti.

Waddell researchers are well aware of the story of the 5 men hanged in 1679. 'The Martyr' features in the recent book The Waddells of Scotland by Gavin Waddell, who has been researching Waddells for decades.

John Waddell 'The Martyr' of Ryden was my 7th-great-grandfather, and I have been to see his grave. See http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NO4515

What is new here is the suggestion, that I have never seen anywhere else, that he had a daughter, and that the name of that daughter was Sarah, so you can imagine that if this information is correct, it would shed a considerable amount of new light on matters.

As it comes from a tree on Ancestry, I have to say that I am extremely sceptical, but would be very interested to see the supporting evidence for this assertion.

[Forfarian]

He is known to have had a son John born 1679, who married Mary Waddell.

According to Gavin Waddell's book, the John W who married Mary Waddell was the grandson, not the son, of the Martyr. This infomation is drawn from John Macarthur's New Monkland Parish

[Skoosh]

Jim,  do you get Dr Mark Jardine's, Book of Martyr's?

https://drmarkjardine.wordpress.com/

Skoosh.

[Forfarian]

Besides the tree Jim found on A******y, there are various online references to John Winning and Sarah Waddell.

Neither SP nor the IGI has a marriage, but there are some baptisms
Jonet Wining, baptised 27 June 1686 (SP and indexed IGI)
John Winning, baptised 12 February 1689 (submitted IGI, not in SP)
Thomas Winning, baptised 13 December 1691 (SP and submitted IGI)
Marie Winning, baptised 4 January 1694, (SP and indexed IGI, but mother's given name listed as Margret)
Matthew Winning, baptised 28 May 1696 (SP and submitted IGI)

There is a tree at http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/w/i/n/Joan-E-Winning/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0107.html which shows only Thomas and Matthew, and descendants of Thomas.

There is correspondence on RootsChat http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SCT-GLASGOW/2008-06/1214213612 listing some of Thomas' descendants.

None of these offer any suggestions as to the parentage of Sarah Waddell.

[easterross]

Afternoon folks, I know Gavin Waddell and have a copy of his book being a Slamannan Waddell through my late grandmother. I am also an 8x great grandson of John Winning and Sarah Waddell. This posting was the first suggestion I have seen that Sarah Waddell is a daughter of John Waddell the Martyr.

There are interesting connections within the Winning family. John Winning's cousin was James Winning who was hung in 1684 and James' mother Helen Main is reputed to be a close relative of Main the Standard Bearer who was also hung.