William Shackleton

[Gibby1968]

I have nothing to add at this time other than that I do not take any notice of the trees on ancestry as they are more than likely inacurate.

My reasons for believing I may be on the right track are detailed in this thread.

[heywood]

William Shackleton was born c1821 in Bingley or Keighley.  His father was Joseph, a shopkeeper.

William married Rose Hindle on 28 February 1848 at the parish church in Keighley. 

He died on 25 May 1851 at Pease Carr, Micklethwaite, near Bingley.  He was buried at Bingley All Saints three days later.

According to his death certificate I received today, the informant was Sarah Shackleton.  Is she his sister?  Where was Rose when William died?

I would like to know more about William but I don't have much to go on.

Can anyone help please?

Thanks.

Rose went onto marry my 3x great grandfather James Stell and have three children.

Hello again,

Glad to hear that about the trees- they are fine as long as they are evidenced.
Your reasons in the thread seem to be based on the above statement.
A few of us have pointed out the possibilities for error and have tried to explain who Sarah Shackleton could be - the wife of a different WS.
This would need to be proved by the earlier death certificate.
Your premise, that William married Rose and then left her to live with a woman who was also married to a man of the same name whilst Rose called herself a widow is difficult to understand.
I don't know the area but I can see through the censuses and the marriage and death records, that the two Williams are in different places.
My conclusions may be totally wrong but as I have said, without that other certificate you could be also using inaccurate information as there is nothing at all to indicate that the 1851 death of William is the husband of Rose.

Regards
Heywood

[valendale]

Just wanting to help like the others are, and just asking so we can see it from where you are coming from. When you say your reasons are in this thread, do you mean the bit where you wrote
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Re: William Shackleton
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There is a Joseph Shackleton living with them who is listed as a son-in-law."

[valendale]

Joseph Shackleton in the 1861 census, was born Joseph Hindle, but he took the Shackleton name when Rose married William

[BumbleB]

I agree with you, in not putting 100% trust in Ancestry trees.  However, as has been pointed out to you, to be enumerated on the census for 1851 you have to be alive on 30/31 March 1851.  William Shackleton, married to Sarah, is alive on that date.  There is a subsequent burial of William Shackleton on 28 May 1851, and you agree that on his death certificate for 25 May 1851 the informant is Sarah Shackleton.  Rose, on the other hand, is shown as a widow (although actually the census return shows her as Boaz, a 29 year old MALE widower) and so her William must have died prior to 30/31 March 1851.

I am, therefore, at a loss to understand why you still think that William who died in May 1851 is the husband of Rose.     There is obviously something that you are not willing to divulge.

[Gibby1968]

Having already spent £10 on the certificate I have, I don't really want to waste more money.

[BumbleB]

Fair enough.

[valendale]

One of the many problems I am having with this is that the William Shackleton at Micklethwaite is shown born Lancashire in the 1851 census.

I really do wish you would share with us what it is that makes you think this is the same William

[BumbleB]

It looks like William had another wife, either legal or common law.  Her name was Sarah (possibly tge Sarah on the death certificate)

Sorry to bring this up again, BUT

You state that William appears to have another wife, legal or otherwise.  BUT the marriage between William Shackleton and Sarah Waterhouse took place in 1841.  The marriage between William Shackleton and Rose Hindle took place in 1848, therefore IF there is an illegal marriage it is between William and Rose - I don't, personally, think that that is the case, as I believe that we have two individuals named William Shackleton, who married two individual brides.

All the documentary evidence points to the burial in 1851 as being William who married Sarah - he DOES appear on the 1851 census with Sarah, he is said to be 29 years old on the 1851 census, and is said to be 30 on his burial in May 1851, informant on the death certificate is SARAH.  The only discrepancy might be that he said he was "full age" when he married.

Rose, on the other hand, excluding the fact that she appears on the 1851 census as a 29 year old male, is said to be a widow(er), which implies that William has died prior to the date of the census.