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Re: McCorry surname
« Reply #27 on: Monday 27 January 25 23:51 GMT (UK) »
I've never pronounced the t in Castle yet!  Are there English speakers who do?   

All I'm saying is that there are different ways of pronouncing surnames.  The Cassells I know here in NZ would be astonished if you pronounced it the same as Castle.  (Actually thinking about it the Cassells here may hark back to England and then Germany than Ireland and so there may have been a difference very early on)

Cassells here in NZ has a long SS sound. My grandmothers name was Cass and she was from the North and said her Cass name differently from the word Castle. Her Australian MiL though did pronounce Castle with a double SS as I think is the common pronunciation now in Aus.  Here in NZ the words are spoken  differently.

Anyway we are about spelling not accents. All I'm saying is to search spellings but not to assume that different spellings are said the same.......

Then I had a friend xxx Callaghan whose name was said the same way as my Callahans, ie no 'G'
   

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Re: McCorry surname
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 28 January 25 00:16 GMT (UK) »
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Sometimes different branches of a family finally used different versions of the surname but other times they might have gone back and forth without any consistancy.

https://archive.org/details/varietiessynony00math/page/n21/mode/2up gives other examples
fairly lighthearted intro then basically variations that Ancestry/Findmypast etc now allow for when we enable.
Specifically to assist them with the written record "Varieties and synonymes of surnames and Christian names in Ireland : for the guidance of registration officers and the public in searching the indexes of births, deaths, and marriages"

pdf version perhaps easier https://ia600908.us.archive.org/31/items/varietiessynonym00math/varietiessynonym00math.pdf

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Re: McCorry surname
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 28 January 25 00:19 GMT (UK) »
I was meaning the John Castles found dead next to the the Lough [Neagh] Road could be husband of Mary McNally. Don't think I have found any other death records that could fit the John husband of Mary  either. Mary McNally is otherwise not relevant I guess but they married in 1857, her address Annaloist, father Nicholas.

With the pronounciation, I have only ever heard our name and the Castles version pronounced Cass-ells rather than Car - sells by family / Irish people [but we migrated when I was 5] though some people in Australia say Car - sells

This John Castles could be husband of Mary McNally. He was baptised 1827 and lived in Annaloiste. I haven't found any other marriage records for John Castles from 1845-1865

A bit unclear who the 'This John Castles......' is referring to.

Is it to the marriage certificate found by Aghadowey or to the extracts fro various posts in your post. Could have been clarified by inserting (below) if you were referrring to  the extracts in your post.

Have we heard about Mary McNally before? 

And just for a bit of info: here in NZ there is a definite & distinct difference in the way we pronounce Castles and Cassel/ls, mainly in the the double 's' in Cassells is pronounced like the way you would pronounce the Irish shortform name of Cass, for Catherine or Cassandra. The Cas/sel/l families I know would be very surprised to hear their name pronounced as Castle.

Is it the spelling or the pronunciation that is interchangeable? 

PS Aha poster is Australian and my Australian born, NZ resident Gt Grandmother apparently pronounced Castle as Casstle, passed it on to her children and then sometimes her grandchildren like my mother and her brothers.   They sometimes came out with what others regarded as an Australian pronunciation despite never having lived there and despite the last memebr of the family having left Aus at the age of 28.  This Casstle pronunciation does definetely sound more like Cassels.

All spellings should be investigated though we cannot say, with certainty,  that they are all pronounced the same.
Co. Armagh: Castles/Cassells, Turkington, McBride, Hanna, Boston, Abraham, Geddis, Gilkinson, Humphries, McCormick, Corner, Serplus
Co. Antrim: Cassells, Hayes, Campbell, Saulters, Abernethy, Crooks, Fryer, Stead, Cooper, Gardner, Montgomery, Hill, McCartney, McKeown, Sterrit, McIntyre, Orr
Co. Down: Hayes, Campbell, Nelson, Skelly, Pickering, Dixon, Taylor, Lowry, Gourley, Stewart
Co. Mayo: Layng, Fulton, Ruxton
Co. Kerry: Nash
Co. Dublin: Ruxton, Layng, Kelly, Wilson, Shea, Askin
Galway: Abbot

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Re: McCorry surname
« Reply #30 on: Friday 31 January 25 11:44 GMT (UK) »
As Catherine McCorry was listed as occupant in the Griffiths Valuation, I assume she was a widow?

So she would not have been wife of the John Cassells d 1884?
Co. Armagh: Castles/Cassells, Turkington, McBride, Hanna, Boston, Abraham, Geddis, Gilkinson, Humphries, McCormick, Corner, Serplus
Co. Antrim: Cassells, Hayes, Campbell, Saulters, Abernethy, Crooks, Fryer, Stead, Cooper, Gardner, Montgomery, Hill, McCartney, McKeown, Sterrit, McIntyre, Orr
Co. Down: Hayes, Campbell, Nelson, Skelly, Pickering, Dixon, Taylor, Lowry, Gourley, Stewart
Co. Mayo: Layng, Fulton, Ruxton
Co. Kerry: Nash
Co. Dublin: Ruxton, Layng, Kelly, Wilson, Shea, Askin
Galway: Abbot