McCorry surname

[Sunnyhill]

This John Castles could be husband of Mary McNally. He was baptised 1827 and lived in Annaloiste. I haven't found any other marriage records for John Castles from 1845-1865

Thank you, what was the mistranscription? I must have also seen the details in a newspaper article which I can't find now but have copied it:

".......... 29-9-1884
A John Castles of Annaloist was found dead on the Lough Neagh Road at about 10 o'clock yesterday on a lot of grass opposite the demense of JW Greer, Esq, J.P"

Also  there was a John Castles who I can't find family for who died 1884 aged 60, address Annaloist.

Looks to have been mis-transcribed - John Cassells - Coroner's Inquest - 29 September 1884
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06310/4809332.pdf
Found dead (or lived) at Derry townland.
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/oneilland-east/shankill/lurgan/derry/

[shanreagh]

This John Castles could be husband of Mary McNally. He was baptised 1827 and lived in Annaloiste. I haven't found any other marriage records for John Castles from 1845-1865

A bit unclear who the 'This John Castles......' is referring to.

Is it to the marriage certificate found by Aghadowey or to the extracts fro various posts in your post. Could have been clarified by inserting (below) if you were referrring to  the extracts in your post.

Have we heard about Mary McNally before? 

And just for a bit of info: here in NZ there is a definite & distinct difference in the way we pronounce Castles and Cassel/ls, mainly in the the double 's' in Cassells is pronounced like the way you would pronounce the Irish shortform name of Cass, for Catherine or Cassandra. The Cas/sel/l families I know would be very surprised to hear their name pronounced as Castle.

Is it the spelling or the pronunciation that is interchangeable? 

PS Aha poster is Australian and my Australian born, NZ resident Gt Grandmother apparently pronounced Castle as Casstle, passed it on to her children and then sometimes her grandchildren like my mother and her brothers.   They sometimes came out with what others regarded as an Australian pronunciation despite never having lived there and despite the last memebr of the family having left Aus at the age of 28.  This Casstle pronunciation does definetely sound more like Cassels.

All spellings should be investigated though we cannot say, with certainty,  that they are all pronounced the same. 

[Jon_ni]

Castles evolved from or was frequently used interchangably for Cassells by those writing the info.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Brownlows_Derry/Annaloist/1024021/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Brownlows_Derry/Annaloist/334945/

A protestant Robert was son of a John https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1855/09494/5441025.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Lurgan_Urban/North_Street/1026039/
wife's death as Castles https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05775/4632783.pdf

[Jon_ni]

Shanreagh

local accents can be strong in the area: Unlocking Our Sound Heritage / The Blacksmith of the Pound / Taghnevan Allotments
from https://lurgantownscapeheritage.com/lurgan-stories/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-65984249

on the links in my previous comment they all marked X rather than signing (someone else filled in Francis' 1901)

[shanreagh]

Shanreagh

local accents can be strong in the area: Unlocking Our Sound Heritage / The Blacksmith of the Pound / Taghnevan Allotments
from https://lurgantownscapeheritage.com/lurgan-stories/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-65984249

on the links in my previous comment they all marked X rather than signing (someone else filled in Francis' 1901)

I'm not doubting the power of accents. 

What I was pointing out that we look at spellings. These can be weird, wonderful, alliterative, then on emigration these accents/spellings are passed through the ears and hands of other emigrants now in positions of recording details from applicants who are illierate. 

But we should not be beguiled into thinking that generally in Ireland Castle is pronounced Casstle.  Castle and Cassells might be often used for each other but mostly that are not pronounced the same.  In the north McLoughlin is not said the same as McLachlan though it is reputed to be the 'same' name' and in my own family Calahan is not pronounced the same as Callaghan. Some Callaghans pronounce the G others don't.

But in searching for names we would look for both. 

[aghadowey]

In Ulster, Castles and Cassells are generally both pronounced as you would Cassells.

[shanreagh]

Castles evolved from or was frequently used interchangably for Cassells by those writing the info.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Brownlows_Derry/Annaloist/1024021/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Brownlows_Derry/Annaloist/334945/

A protestant Robert was son of a John https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1855/09494/5441025.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Lurgan_Urban/North_Street/1026039/
wife's death as Castles https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05775/4632783.pdf

Most of those have evolved from others filling out the forms the first 'Cassells' signature  should really be 'PP' Cassells as by the 1911 we are in no doubt that the 1901 form has been signed as completed by another. 

The point is spelling though.  Happy to encourage looking at all sorts of alternative spellings but not that these spellings are all pronounced in the same way. 

[Jon_ni]

We are in agreeement that the info was verbal. But l disagree on the pronunciation aspect as a native of Belfast of 50 years and agree with Aghadowey. There is no emphasis on the ss and the t is entirely silent.

Lets leave it there and jointly help Sunnyhill with anything further.

[aghadowey]

It may even be argued that the writing and signature of the Francis Cassells in 1901 is no more his own than the 1911 return. The handwriting in 1901 is very clear and well formed whilst the 1911 form was done with Francis making his mark.
In Ulster, and indeed Ireland, it was not uncommon to find variations in spelling of names even amongst literate people. Sometimes different branches of a family finally used different versions of the surname but other times they might have gone back and forth without any consistancy.