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Re: Denis edward Brinkhurst look up
« Reply #9 on: Monday 29 December 14 10:40 GMT (UK) »
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George BRINKHURST
Anne GURR
MARRIAGE, Mar Qtr 1881, Lewes, Sussex

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Re: Denis edward Brinkhurst look up
« Reply #10 on: Monday 29 December 14 11:06 GMT (UK) »
Winnipeg Free Press: Tuesday, June 8, 1982 - Page 42
http://billiongraves.com/pages/record/MervinBryan/5303356

Mervin BRYAN died age 57 years.
Survived by his twin & her husband, a sister and one brother.
Predeceased by his mother Kate Bryan on April 1954 and his father Albert Bryan on September. Served in the three Armed Forces joining the Royal Canadian September until November 1945 and then joined the Canadian Army from August 1950 until September and then joined the Canadian Air Forces from December 1953 until January.

So the headstone information regards Kate posted previously, said she was a widow of Daniel.
The Obit above for Mervin didn't mention Roy.

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Re: Denis edward Brinkhurst look up
« Reply #11 on: Monday 29 December 14 11:26 GMT (UK) »
In short (found via census and online trees etc):

Benjamin BRINKHURST (1824-1896) and his wife Eliza ELLIS
Had among their issue:

son: George BRINKHURST (b1856) who married Ann GURR and had daughter Kate, born 1887,
Little Horsted, Sussex,

son: William BRINKHURST (b1855) who married Jane Alma ELLIS and had son Dennis Edward 1886
(possibly, Jane Alma was a cousin of some sort?)

So it looks like Dennis Edward BRINKHURST  who died 1916 and the Kate BRINKHURST who married  Albert BRYAN, were first cousins.  And maybe they were 'married' also….which may explain why we've not found an actual  marriage?

But THEN....

Another online tree, has Kate BRINKHURST, daughter of George BRINKHURST & Ann GURR, marrying in 1906 to George William ADDICOTT and dying 1967 in Berkshire!!

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Re: Denis edward Brinkhurst look up
« Reply #12 on: Monday 29 December 14 16:39 GMT (UK) »
  That is quite an extensive memorial stone! It would be nice if one thing found had all truths on it, though...This answers the question of her parents and maiden name, but it doesn't have "Daniel's" last name... she was married as Brinkhurst... Son Roy has middle name Dennis. Then there are her children as Bryan and the count is off, three brothers and two sisters rather than the other way around? Then Merve's obit leaves out mention of some siblings.  The birth for Roy should be available by now...http://www.familyhistoryalive.com/Ontario-Vital-Records--Births-Marriages-Deaths.html
Has anyone been able to find a birth or anything on the lad in Quebec?

 
 
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« Reply #13 on: Monday 29 December 14 23:16 GMT (UK) »
This is the transcript of the Memorial Stone in Hamilton, Ontario:

The youngest of nine children ALBERT BRYAN was born to James Thomas BRYAN
And his wife Eliza BLUMSON in the Parish of St Matthew Bethnal Green on
the first day of June 1881 Grays Inn Lane

            Grandson to Benjamin BLUMSON and his wife Elizabeth NEWMAN
and James Thomas BRYAN the Elder and his wife Ann PRYOR of the parish of
St Leonard Shoreditch, London, England.
            Died 31 Aug 1967
   
            In Memory of his first wife Ellen Ada McCARTHY only child
of George Henry McCARTHY and his wife Ellen BRITTAIN. Born 28 Aug 1882
the Parish of St Peter, Stepney, London, England. Ellen Ada was the Mother
to Albert Edward, Ellen, Florence, Alfred and Adelaide.
             Died 8 January 1910
             Interred Necropolis Toronto

           Their Daughter Ellen BRYAN of the Parish of St Jude Pancras
London England was born 14 Aug 1902. As the wife to Ezra Howard GIBSON,
Nellie was the Mother to Irene, Bertha, Margaret, Howard, Earl, Martha? and
-------?, interred as the wife to James BETHLEY?.
           Died 20 January 1968
   
          His second wife AMY TRANTER born to George William TRANTER
and his wife Lily Howle OLDHAM 27 August 1886 of the Parish of St John
Warwick, Birmingham, England. Amy was the mother to William.
         Died 29 March 1918
   
         In Memoriam to his third wife Katherine BRINKHURST widow of
Daniel and Mother to Roy Dennis, was born to George BRINKHURST and his wife
Ann GURRS of Tunbridge Wells, England. Katherine was the mother to ?Albert?
Marguerite, Albert John and twins Mervin and Marjorie
         Died 1 April 1954
         Interred St James Winnipeg

[This last part is probably the death details of Albert BRYAN himself]   
------------ ---------- ---------- ---------- --------------- ----------- ---------- ----
In the Parish of ---------- Bethnal Green London ---------- -------- Mother -----
         Died 7 May? 19--
        Interred at St John ------- ------
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Re: Denis edward Brinkhurst look up
« Reply #14 on: Monday 29 December 14 23:32 GMT (UK) »
The Stone is clearly based on the BRYAN family - and once read in it's entirety, indicates it was  probably erected by the children of Ellen BRYAN & Ezra GIBSON - this Ellen being the daughter of Albert BRYAN and his first Wife, Ellen Ada McCARTHY.

Further down the stone, the 3rd wife of Albert is mentioned  and on reflection, should be read as saying:
Katherine BRINKHURST (nee BRINKHURST) came to marriage with  Albert BRYAN as  the widow of 'Daniel' and from  'Daniel', was the mother of Roy Dennis.   From Albert she was the mother of  Albert(a)? Marguerite, Albert John and twins Mervin and Marjorie.

There are two 'discrepancies':
   1) Albert's first wife Ellen died 1910 and his 2nd wife was Amy who died 1918. Yet we see him in 1911 with wife 'Norah" -  Is "Norah' is  a Census mistake and in fact on the 1911 Census  this was Amy, his 2nd wife?  But he didn't marry Amy until 1914 (see at end)!
   2) Katherine BRINKHURST's first husband is named as Daniel.  I think this is simply an error, and the man they are mentioning (whom they know is the father of Roy Dennis) they didn't actually know much about.  They don't even appear to know his surname (he alone does not have one on the stone) and I think they have mis-remembered his first name  which they knew began with D. They came up with Daniel instead of correctly, Dennis.
   
To me, this stone is the proof thus far that the Kate BRINKHURST who married Albert BRYAN was the same one who was the informant to Dennis Edward BRINKHURST's death.  I also think that the wider BRYAN family never knew that  Kate's first husband (perhaps only common law husband at that) was also her first cousin let alone his surname. The fact that  Roy, the son they acknowledge of Kate and "Daniel, has the middle name is Dennis, helps cements that theory.

Katherine's 6 identified children:
Roy Dennis BRINKHURST
Albert (or Alberta?) BRYAN
Marguerite BRYAN
Albert John (Jack) BRYAN
Mervin BRYAN
Marjorie BRYAN

All 6 children are mentioned on the Hamilton stone.

I realise now, Mervin's 1982 obituary only mentions his  3 surviving siblings:
Marguerite, Jack, and Marjorie.
Roy was already deceased, as was the first born BRYAN child (maybe died young).


ONTARIO DEATH Cert 1910:

Ellen Ada BRYAN - Died 8 Jan 1910, age 27, of Heart Disease, daughter of George & Ellen McCARTHY
Adelaide BRYAN - Died 3 July 1910 age 8 mths of Pneumonia

ONTARIO MARRIAGE Cert 1914: 25th April 1914, St Catherine, Lincoln County, Ontario
Albert BRYAN 32, of St Catherine, Decorator, widower, b London, England,
Parents: James BRYAN & Ellen BLUMSON
And
Amy TRANTER 27, of St Catherines, spinster, b Birmingham, England
Parents: Geo. Wm TRANTER & Lily OLDHAM

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Re: Denis edward Brinkhurst look up
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 30 December 14 00:09 GMT (UK) »
Wow, nice of you to transcibe the stone, Ambly. I am sorry I did not refer properly to the instances I mentioned. Only the first part was pertaining directly to the stone itself

I had seen a death 1918 for an Amy but didn't put two and two together as there was an Amy Bryan of similar age in  1911 ...There was also the death of perhaps another child for an unnamed Bryan child, age 0, father A. Bryan in 1916
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« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 30 December 14 00:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi J.J.

I didn't read the stone fully at first (too hard!)  which is why I didn't realise who 'Daniel' was , or who the stone was 'centered on'.  Only after sleeping on it, pondering over why she's mentioned on a Hamilton Ontario stone when she died in Manitoba,  and transcribing it in full did the penny drop  ;D So since I'd squinted over it and typed it out, though I'd just as well post it !

I also noted, that on the stone, they referred to Kate's birth family as from Tunbridge Wells (Kent). The Census all along have that family, including Kate's birth in Sussex. But Dennis, who was also born Sussex - his family did end up in Tunbridge Wells. So another 'connecting dot' I think.

As I see it now, three things remain unresolved?

1) Edward LANE / BRINKHURST
If he was the son of a Kate BRINKHURST, is she the same Kate BRINKHURST we're chased around Canada?

2) The supposed marriage of Kate BRINKHURST, daughter of George BRINKHUST & Ann GURRS  to ADDICOTT in 1906 in England and  her subsequent death 1967 in England.  Is the resarcher who has posted that on a tree, half right (marriage) & half wrong (death)? Or completely wrong?

3) MARRIAGE of Albert BRYAN to Kate BRINKHURST in 1920, Manitoba.
Does it identify her parents as George BRINKHUST & Ann GURRS?  (I think it probably does and is possibly where the BRYAN descendants got the information from for the Hamilton memorial stone).

Be nice to find Kate arriving in Canada (or US)  too! Have looked but couldn't find her?

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« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 30 December 14 01:48 GMT (UK) »
Hmmm - methinks the plot thickens.

Recalling we have Dennis Edward BRINKHURST arriving in Canada 1910, then back to the UK in December 1912.  As yet didn't find him returning across the Atlantic to Canada direct or via the US.

My suspicions are highly aroused by this couple, leaving the UK in 1913, bound for Canada via the US.  Not in the least because of the mad discrepancy in ages on the Outward and Inward manifests, and her name "Kitty", which is as pet form of Katherine. Looks to me like they disguised themselves more on leaving, and less on arrival where their ages match the couple we have looked at....

This couple:  Departed Liverpool 8 April 1913 on the "CYMRIC", bound for Portland

Ticket 2470
DG BRINKHURST 40, Farmer
Mrs BRINKHURST 37, Wife
English
Country of intended future permanent residence: Canada


But their arrival : Portland, Maine on the "CYMRIC" on 17 April 1913

Ticket 2470 (a bit obscured but can make it out)
Dennis G BRINKHURST 27, married, Farmer
Kitty BRINKHURST 26, married, Housewife,
English Citizens, English Race
Last Permanent Residence: Canada London Montreal
Going home to Montreal, Canada
Have tickets to their final destination (Montreal, Canada)
Have never been to the USA before
Both listed as  5'8",
He of Fresh complexion, Fair hair & Grey eyes
She of Dark complexion Dark Hair and Brown eyes
Both born London, England

If this is the right couple, perhaps it's just the fact they're cousins that's the issue and they're eloping from family. Or/And she is indeed Mrs Addicott......??   :o

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