I've just been looking back at this after reading John's will in which he mentions a brother Robert, I've also now found Robert's will mentioning Martha daughter of Mary Botts
my problem now is that I took the birthplace of John from the 1871 census (Wrenbury Cheshire) and found the baptism to William and Martha, as that wasn't my John I'm struggling to find a baptism for him anywhere, on the 1841 census his age was given as 55 so he could be 55-59
Linda