FOUNTAIN families in Queensland and Victoria.

[Marama]

  Stephenson Fountain (1787-1834) of Wakefield in Yorkshire had a large family most of whom migrated in the middle of the 1800's.  Joseph and at least three of his sisters went to Victoria in the 1840's and Stephen went to Queensland in 1865.  Both Joseph and Stephen had sons and grandsons called Stephenson and I have managed to trace most of them  but I have one which still puzzles me. 
   In 1857 a Miss Rachel Ann Fountain, niece of James Blastock (and his wife who was a Fountain) married John Johnson Beath.  Who was she?  Joseph never had a daughter called Rachel and although Steven did we know she was born in 1848 - too young to be getting married in 1857.
Any help you can suggest would be most welcome.
Kind regards,  Marama.

[ennael]

Hi,
  There is this Rachel in NSW, possibly you have seen this?:

4650/1898    
BEATH   Rachel  A      
Mother Hannah
Registered at Balmain  North

And corresponding TROVE entry:

BEATH.— June. 28, at 828 Darling-street, Balmain,
Rachel Annie Beath, aged 57 years.

 Edit to add from TROVE:
BEATH.—June 28, at the residence of her brother-in-law,
Mr. H. H. Froude, 328 Darling-street, Balmain,
Rachel  Annie, relict of the late J. J. Beath, of Hamilton, Victoria, aged 57 years. Rest, sweet mother.

Leanne

[wivenhoe]

I think this should be son-in-law, not brother-in-law?

SMH 30 Jun 1898
BEATH.—June 28, at the residence of her brother-in-law, Mr. H. H. Froude, 328 Darling-street, Balmain, Rachel Annie, relict of the late J. J. Beath, of Hamilton, Victoria, aged 57 years. Rest, sweet mother.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/14136473

BDM NSW death
4650/1898  BEATH Rachel A  parents - / Hannah         Balmain North

6039/1908  FROUDE Margaret J W parents John J/  Rachael West Maitland

[~MERLIN~]

Marama,

The gentleman born 1925 in Bairnsdale that you have named in your post is still living.

You need to edit your post & remove his details.

[Marama]

  Thankyou all very much indeed for your help and advice.  I have removed all reference to the gentleman who is still living - do you happen to know him at all?  Perhaps I could write to him personally? 
  I now know exactly who Rachel Ann Fountain was and how she fits into the family.  I have never found her on a passenger list though - unless she somehow got missed off the copy I saw of the Fountain family on the Osprey in 1848.  Would it be worth my while to go into the library here and find the original photocopy of that list?
  I'm sure you are right about HH Froude being Rachel's son-in-law rather than brother-in-law.  Her first daughter, Margaret Jane Wiggins Beath married HH Froude.
     Regards,  Marama

[judb]

The disposal list of immigrants from the Osprey shows that Joseph FOUNTAIN, labourer, 22, his wife Mary 20 and their son George 10 months went "to his brother at the Grange".  The Osprey had arrived 2 Mar 1849 into Geelong, Point Henry and Victoria, Australia, from Plymouth. 

Also aboard was Marg't FOUNTAIN, 19, housemaid, "going to relations at the Grange".

No-one with forename Rachel or Rachael is listed on the Osprey.

I cannot see an immigration for a Rachel FOUNTAIN into Victoria, however if she came as an unassisted passenger her full name may not be given.  Her age as given in the death notices would give a birth date of abt 1841.  As her mother's name is given as "Hannah" the only Harriet FOUNTAIN I can see arrived in 1861 aged 24 (with husband John) - age means she cannot be Rachel's mother.

There is a John FOUNTAIN 24 and "Mrs FOUNTAIN" 22 arriving 1857 - again ages don't fit.

It would be unlikely that Rachel was missed on the shipping list but not impossible!  Could she have used another name?

Judith

[Marama]

Hi judb
    Thankyou so much for all you have done.  I wonder if I could ask you to look up that disposal list once again and and tell me whether there was a second Mary as well as Joseph's wife?  They were all going to the Grange (near Hamilton) to a sister called Jane who had married James Blastock and come to Australia with him in 1841.  Margaret  married William Malcolm in 1850 and when he died she married Francis Rentiers.  The sister called Mary married Samuel Rayner, George Younger and Francis William Dawson is succession.  I am sure I found her on the Osprey too - she'd have been 22 in 1849. 
    Hannah, who was Rachel Ann's mother, was another sister.  She was born in 1822 and as far as I know she did not come to Australia.   
    Thanks,   Marama.

[judb]

There are only the 4 with surname FOUNTAIN recorded on the Osprey.

You can see the index on
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=24

Joseph, Mary and baby George are recorded on Book 4A, p38
and Margt on Book 4A, p44
The different page numbers are because families were listed together and single women (and men) listed separately. 

The actual images of the Disposal List for this voyage show only Joseph, Mary, George and Margt (which could just be Mary but I would be 99% sure it is Margt),

Judith

[Prue F]

Hi all,
Rachel Fountain was my great-great-grandmother - via her youngest daughter Marion, and Marion's daughter Annetta.
I have Rachel Fountain's marriage certificate to David Beath. It lists her parents' names as John Copse and Hannah Fountain. She was born in Wakefield, Yorkshire about 1840.
But why was Rachel's name Fountain - same as her mother Hannah's? Unmarried I presume. The birth index shows her as being born in Apr 1840, Wakefield, West Riding, West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Eastmoor, Wakefield Union, Stankey sub-district
From the marriage certificate, Rachel, aged 17, married John Johnston Beath, aged 21, on 12 Jun 1857 at the Victoria Hotel in Hamilton VIC.  Minister Angus Macdonald married them according to the Presbyterian Church rites. The witnesses were Colin Campbell and ?. John is listed as an assistant storekeeper on the MC; his father David is listed as storekeeper. John and Rachel were both residents of Hamilton at the time.
John is listed as an assistant storekeeper on the MC; his father David is listed as storekeeper. John and Rachel were both residents of Hamilton at the time.
By the time of Marion’s birth in 1876, John is listed as a Shire Revenue Officer, aged 39 and 2/3.
Thanks for the reference to HH Froude being Rachel's son-in-law, and her dying in Balmain - this fits with what I know of Marion marrying in  1900 and her family living around Balmain at this time.