Martha Kingsbury Hemingway, b. abt 1823/24, Dewsbury

[toedwar]

Looking for information on birth/baptism of Martha Kingsbury Hemingway, likely the daughter of George Hemingway and Mary Ann Parr.   MKH was born about 1823-1824 in Dewsbury according to later census data but I cannot find her baptism on Ancestry, Familysearch or FreeREG.   Martha Kingsbury Hemingway married John Porritt on 25 Dec 1842 at Tong, St. James, with father's name George on the parish marriage record.   Parents probably George Hemingway and Mary Ann Parr, who were married 26 Apr 1818 in Dewsbury, All Saints. Mary Ann Parr was daughter of William Parr and Martha Kingsbury, baptised 26 Jun 1795 in Dewsbury, All Saints.   Birthdate and parents of George Hemingway are unknown although 1841 census gives his age as 45 so likely born about 1795 +/- 2 yrs.   George Hemingway and Mary Ann Parr may have had a second daughter, Lydia Ann Hemingway, who married James Hey on 2 Jan 1847 at Dewsbury with father's name George Hemingway on parish marriage record.  According to census records, Lydia Ann was born about 1828 in Dewsbury, however I also cannot find her baptism record.  Any help much appreciated!  Tom

[fastfusion]

have you tried this>

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Dewsbury/


there is a fair amount of material on that link that may assist........ my thought when I looked at the post was have you looked at other material around Wakefield?  just in case.....

 

[Milliepede]

George Hemingway and Mary Ann Parr may have had a second daughter, Lydia Ann Hemingway, who married James Hey on 2 Jan 1847 at Dewsbury with father's name George Hemingway on parish marriage record.  According to census records, Lydia Ann was born about 1828 in Dewsbury, however I also cannot find her baptism record.

Lydia is down as "full age" when she married 2 Jan 1847 so that should put her birth year back a bit? 
George is a clothier.

[toedwar]

Thank you to Milliepede and fastfusion for your suggestions and help!   I have looked through the parish registers on Ancestry for Dewsbury, All Saints; Batley, All Saints; and Birstall, St. Peter for the period 1821-1828 with no success.   Several other Hemingway baptisms but no children of George Hemingway.   I have to admit that I don't know all the other churches in the Dewsbury area, so if there are some obvious ones I've missed, please let me know.   That said, Ancestry has already indexed most of them but nothing shows up on a search either, so I'm looking more for parish registers that they haven't yet been indexed.   The birth dates from the census records are somewhat in conflict with the marriage records, as both girls were supposedly of "Full Age" at their weddings, Martha in 1842 (so birth year should be 1821 or earlier) and Lydia in 1847 (so birth year should be 1826 or earlier).   Yet the later census records (1851-1881) consistently give birth years of 1823-24 for Martha and 1828-29 for Lydia.   Both marriage records and census returns are often unreliable sources for exact birth year, but I've been looking 1820-1824 for Martha and 1825-1829 for Lydia.

Thank you for the link to the Genuki website, I had not searched that site for this quest!   There is no entry for a George Hemingway in Pigots directory (1829) or Baines Gazeteer (1822) for Dewsbury, so either he had left Dewsbury by 1822 or he was just in a different community.

Tom

[Pennines]

Have you tried Non-Conformist records? Is it possible that they might have been Baptists -- where a baptism wouldn't take place until someone was old enough to renounce their sins and display full understanding and acceptance of the Baptists beliefs? Usually an individual had to be 15 years or older, although it varied from congregation to congregation.

There are West Yorks Non Conformist records on Ancestry -- as well as general non-conformist records on Family Search. Might be worth a try.

[toedwar]

Have you tried Non-Conformist records? .....

There are West Yorks Non Conformist records on Ancestry -- as well as general non-conformist records on Family Search. Might be worth a try.

Hi Pennines,
I've searched all the West Yorks records on Ancestry, which includes the non-conformist records that they have indexed.   I don't know how complete their indexing is, so there could be some records that wouldn't show up in a search, but I haven't yet looked at records that are not indexed on Ancestry.  Same applies to FAmilysearch.    As both daughters were married in the establised church, I've been looking in those parish records, but non-conformist records are certainly a possibility and I'll look at them more closely.

Ancestry recently released a new set of records for West Yorkshire, Select Land Tax Records 1704-1932 and I've found several records for George Hemingway in Dewsbury in the period 1796-1832, although it appears that these refer to at least two individuals.  In 1805-1807 one location refers to "late Geo. Hemingway" while the other continues as Geo. Hemingway.   There appeared to be two locations where a George Hemingway was an occupant, one is in premises owned by Richard Crawshay then later John Dickenson, and a second in premises owned by John Wilson & Co. then later Wilson, Greenwood, Auty & Hemingway and then Wilson, Hemingway & Co..  So it confirms that at least one George Hemingway was  in Dewsbury in the period of interest, however I'm puzzled why he doesn't appear in either Baine's Directory or Pigot's Directory?

[Pennines]

I've just had a quick look at Non Conformist filmed records on Ancestry --- there is a death of a George Hemingway aged 56 in Dewsbury in 1848. Might he be yours?

Also a Mary Hemingway died 1848 aged 38
and Mary Hemingway aged 19 died in 1849

All abodes shown as Dewsbury.

Might be the other family though.

[Pennines]

Just to add -- there are some rather late baptisms on there for Hemingways -- tennagers, an adult named William.

Might be worth checking -- couldn't see your Martha though.

[toedwar]

Thank you for pointing out those records, the George Hemingway burial 1848 at age 56 would fit with "my" George as he was likely born about 1795 +/- 2-3 yrs based on the 1841 census and that he is no where to be seen in the 1851 census.   But at this point the connection is speculative, however that it is in non-conformist records is interesting.....   I will look further! 

I also just realized that the transcribed records for Dewsbury, All Saints on Ancestry do not include 1822 baptisms.   Ancestry has 1813-1821, 1823-1910 while Familysearch appears to have the same range.