harriet hadley

[hugheszee]

Hi All
I realise I have posted on this topic before
but despite having new info Im still looking for a definite birth for my gr grandmother
ie Harriet Hadley I have obtained the marriage cert which states She married in 1880 to
Isaaih Jones marriage age gives their ages as both 22 her father is named as joseph hadley desceased Isaiahs father Reuben Jones occ shearer despite trawling through numerous records
it seems she does not appear to be living with her parents ie Joseph Hadley...or her mother who
I believe to be Sarah Hadley nee Owen  married  joseph 1841 joseph is said to be from shutt end  sarah daughter of Robert Owen and Ann Bickerton of Dawley Magna Shropshire Robert and Ann married 1811  I have looked at this a few times am I missing something obvious need help to fill this gap please Thankyou Hugheszee

[lizdb]

Have you found her in 81/91/01/11 censuses after her marriage? What age and place of birth does she give at each?

Who are witnesses when she marries Isaiah Jones?

What makes you think the Joseph and Sarah  nee Owen couple are her parents ( other than having the same name, Joseph, as father on marriage cert) . What occupation does her father have on marriage cert? Is that the same as the Joseph/ Sarah?

[avm228]

Old thread is here, containing some census etc info:

www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=498782.msg3555469#msg3555469

[lizdb]

1881 she is age 22 and born Wooster (sic) Dudley
1891 she is 29 and born Dudley Worcestershire
1901 she is 38 and born Dudley Worcestershire

So at least the place is consistant!! Even if she has found the answer to ageing.

(Red writing, avm228,  sounds like I am going over old ground)

[Milliepede]

So born around 1858.

Few options here to check against whatever birthplace she gives on census as lizdb has mentioned.

Sep 1857 West Brom
Dec 1857 Dudley
Mar 1859 Droitwich
Jun 1859 Stourbridge

[lizdb]

1861
Gads Lane, Dudley, Worcs. (In Dudley Reg District)

Sarah Hadley widow 39 bn Netherton
Edward 6 bn Dudley
Harriet 3 bn Dudley

The Dec 1857 Dudley birth that Millipede has found looks the most likely - have you ruled that one out?

[hugheszee]

Thanks all mmm gads lane may be promising
but errrr once again by 1901 she gives her age as 38 a widow living in merthyr tydfil
as for the marriage cert this appears to offer a clue as Elizabeth Evans is a witness
and I have info to suggest this maybe elizabeth hadley a sister of harriet elizabeh hadley married a william evans william killed in colliery accident 1878 buffery old worcester  as was harriets husband isaiah 1895 and son Isaiah junior  1904 in Bedlinog south wales in 1891 she is living in llangynwydd middle glamorgan where a thomas owen b 1857 dudley is a widow with two children is also living with the family and is stated as brother in law the sarah owen marriage came from a relative and at present appears reliable I may as well throw My grandmother into the equasion as
she is born around 1882 dudley harriet also had another son Willam g jones who appears to have moved on by 1901 census thanks all ....finally I believe harriet died around 1945 and sarah jane 1951 

[lizdb]

So . . . .have you ruled out the Birth in Oct/Nov/Dec 1857 Dudley ?

I dont think you can go any further till you get that cert.
If it is her (ie father Joseph, mother Sarah) then you have found what you have been looking for.
If it isnt we will have to think again, but it is looking very likely that it is.

[hugheszee]

Thankyou all for Your invaluable help
I will obviously need to get the cert to be certain
and No I have not ruled out the dates mentioned
its just a pity our ancestors were often very econimical
about their ages frustrating on times maybe suspicious of officialdom
THANKS
Hugheszee