RICKMAN lookup

[Cher2354]

Right, so all those records give you a good starting point needed to trace Alfred Rickman's family back to England.

What's listed on Alfred's marriage certificate for date and place of birth and names of both parents?
Also, on his death certificate (although this more prone to errors and missing details)?

I am confused by inaccurate dates. I have to review the marriage certificate.

[aghadowey]

Don't worry too much about dates- they can vary from record to record.

I'm wondering if the marriage certificate will list his father as Arthur 

[lizdb]

An online tree gives mother's maiden name as Callaghan.

That links with the Callaghan sister in law on the 1891 census I found, which was the Stanley Street address given in the initial post.

But this might be following the wrong Alfred altogether.

Cher2354- where did you get the Stanley Street address from that you gave in your first post?

[aghadowey]

Pending confirmation of details on Alfred Rickman's marriage certificate-

Alfred Rickman, son of Frederick & Mary, born 17 July 1887 Rawal Pindee, India is NOT the Alfred Rickman in New York.

Veteran Affairs records for the New York Alfred Rickman give is details as follows-
born 13 Nov.1888, died 26 Jan.1977
enlisted 9 Dec.1906, discharged 12 Jan.1913
enlisted 9 May 1917, discharged 25 Mar.1919

The birth day and month matches the following record-
Langford St. School (opened 1890): Alfred Rickman, enrolled 10 Dec.1894, 40 Langford Rd., parent or guardian- Arthur, last school- Holy Cross, born 13 Nov.1889.

[Cher2354]

Pending confirmation of details on Alfred Rickman's marriage certificate-

Alfred Rickman, son of Frederick & Mary, born 17 July 1887 Rawal Pindee, India is NOT the Alfred Rickman in New York.

Veteran Affairs records for the New York Alfred Rickman give is details as follows-
born 13 Nov.1888, died 26 Jan.1977
enlisted 9 Dec.1906, discharged 12 Jan.1913
enlisted 9 May 1917, discharged 25 Mar.1919

The birth day and month matches the following record-
Langford St. School (opened 1890): Alfred Rickman, enrolled 10 Dec.1894, 40 Langford Rd., parent or guardian- Arthur, last school- Holy Cross, born 13 Nov.1889.

I can confirm death in Jan 1977 and it reads 1888 birth on his grave.
The enlistment of naval services dates are confusing will research further.
Will locate marriage certificate as soon as I locate it.

[lizdb]

Alfred Rickman, son of Frederick & Mary, born 17 July 1887 Rawal Pindee, India is NOT the Alfred Rickman in New York

Thats ruled him out then.
But there seems to be an amalgamation of incorrect info - eg the Stanley Street address quoted in first post. That belongs to the India Alfred, yet is quoted to be where the Alfred we are looking for lived. So - what was the source of that ? Was is found during research (of the wrong Alfred), was it quoted from an (incorrect) online tree who had found the 1891? (very unwise) - OR did it come from independent info about the Correct Alfred (in which case the India Alfred in Stanley St warrants further investigaton).

It is so important to start with proven facts about the correct person and work from there.

[aghadowey]

It is so important to start with proven facts about the correct person and work from there.

Yes. The reason I was able to determine the details of the 2 Alfred Rickmans was that I started with U.S. records and traced Alfred back, getting date of birth, etc. 

[Cher2354]

Greatly appreciate your help. Confusion was with British naval records and first locating the actual date of birth. 1886/1887/1888? The documents need to determine his vitals aren't on hand however, I have seen inaccurate data quite a bit.

I had very little information to begin with.

[aghadowey]

You'll need to check his marriage certificate to see what details he gave. Was he married in N.Y.? if so there are spaces on the form for parents' names, etc. which should help finding them in English records.

There might be useful information in naturalization records- such as date & place entered U.S. (as well as name of ship), etc. This would hopefully allow us to find a passenger manifest which will (again hopefully) show details of nearest relative in U.K., contact in U.S., etc.

Exactly what information do you have so far (facts, documents, etc. not information that you've found on someone else's family tree, online, etc.)?