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Re: Benjamin ROWE, Coolah NSW - any images
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 26 November 14 12:23 GMT (UK) »
I was looking for something else,  and I came across this interesting grievance on the subject of places for registration.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/155922471

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Re: Benjamin ROWE, Coolah NSW - any images
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 27 November 14 04:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Little bit of info from a notice dated 7th December 1882, page 6521 in the the NSW Gazette under Special Notice Under Property Act.

Property
MDCCCCXXIIL, 1 rood 26&1/2 perches, lot 3, and 1 rood 27 & 3/4 perches, lot 11 at Coolah, parish of Coolah, County of Napier.

Name and residence of applicants
Charles Rowe and Eliza Pyett of Harkstead; and William Rowe of Chelmondiston in the County of Suffolk, England.
 
Title, how claimed
Devisees under the will of Benjamin Rowe, deceased.

Date up to and inclusive of which caveats may be lodged
11th Jan 1883.

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« Reply #20 on: Friday 28 November 14 01:06 GMT (UK) »
Well I am not quite sure about this,  because 1 rood and 27 perches is  bit over 1/3 of an acre.

And lot 3 and lot 11 on the 1880's town plan of Coolah are more like 2 acres each,  so I am not sure if they are the same thing.    Lot 3 has been subdivided and has abou 8 or 9 houses on it.

I made some photos using google street view.




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Re: Benjamin ROWE, Coolah NSW - any images
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Re: Benjamin ROWE, Coolah NSW - any images
« Reply #22 on: Friday 28 November 14 01:13 GMT (UK) »
Section 3 at Coolah today.   Section 3 is the whole of the small city block,  between the two streets you can see,  running about 70 metres down the street to the left,    and about 130 metres down the street to the right.  It has about 9 houses on it now, most of which you can't see in this screenshot.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-31.8289968,149.709854,3a,75y,149.31h,89.83t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s33dwssMIzjz9z6BpLo9J3w!2e0?hl=en

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Re: Benjamin ROWE, Coolah NSW - any images
« Reply #23 on: Friday 28 November 14 01:27 GMT (UK) »
Coolah was ” proclaimed a Village under 4th Sec of Act ‘84”  (as in 1884 !) as per lpi map which I am looking at online at the moment.   The Land and Property website has the digitised map “Plan of Survey of Village of Coolah and Suburban land Parish of Coolah County of Napier"  It seems to be an 1880s map and the lot numbers seem to repeat themselves, depending on which street.   
So there’s several Lot 1’s  and several Lot 11's  for example :
Lot 1 being 250 ft x 175 ft is on corner of Queensborough and Henderson Streets.
Lot 1 being 53 ft x 127 ˝ ft is on corner of Binnia and Queensborough Streets
Lot 11 being 122 ft x 250 fit is on corner of Binnaway and Charles Streets
Lot 11 being for the school  :)

http://images.maps.nsw.gov.au/pixel.htm#   

Well I am not quite sure about this,  because 1 rood and 27 perches is  bit over 1/3 of an acre.
And lot 3 and lot 11 on the 1880's town plan of Coolah are more like 2 acres each,  so I am not sure if they are the same thing.   

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Re: Benjamin ROWE, Coolah NSW - any images
« Reply #24 on: Friday 28 November 14 02:25 GMT (UK) »
Yes,  the big blocks are referenced as sections and are divided into small lots which are around 1 rood 30 perches,  which is 7/16 of an acre each.

Which means there are multiple lot 3,  and several lot 11's.  Not so many 11's,  because many of the sections only have lots numbered 1 to 10.   

Which makes the reference to lot 3 and 11 as was quoted before, almost useless without being able to identify the section somehow.

The pictures I posed before are of section 3 and section 11.     Section 11 has never been subdivided,  it it still a block of more than 2 acres.


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Re: Benjamin ROWE, Coolah NSW - any images
« Reply #25 on: Friday 28 November 14 02:40 GMT (UK) »
The respective lots would have been easily identified by the locals back in 1880s and by the surveyors.   

Getting back onto topic, the OP was asking :
Benjamin was a member of my Suffolk UK family. He was born in 1832 and was a seaman which is probably how he ended up in Australia.  I have a copy of his will which states he left his estate to three of his cousins back in England so I assume he had no wife or children living.  He was a store keeper and died in Coolah in 1880.
I have been searching for an image of what Coolah would have looked like then. I have searched ebay, Trove and google.au but no luck.  So I am hoping that Rootschatters may be able to help.
Does anyone have a link to old images of the town?
With thanks
Judy

ADDING,  the google street view scenes seem to be dated April 2010.   Are these copyright images?


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Re: Benjamin ROWE, Coolah NSW - any images
« Reply #26 on: Friday 28 November 14 05:24 GMT (UK) »
I don't see how the surveyor would just "know" which lot 3 it is.   First thing they would need to know,  what is the DP or section number.

That ad requesting the title transfer, also appears in the SMH of 9 dec 1882.   If you look at the following entries for a block at Quirindi,  it says,  lot 16 of section 10.    And the one after that, at Chippendale,  says lot 12 of DP 98.   That's what it should say.   The Coolah one is defective.  As it says at the bottom of the ad,  go to the Registrar and inspect the diagram.

I have checked the conditions of use of the street images from Google Street View,  and changed the previous post to link to the Google Street view website,  which is their prefered and authorised method of posting the image,  because it enables them to change, update or alter, the image later.

To answer the OP's original question,  I have never seen any actual photo of Coolah earlier than 1904.   I am also not aware of any extant buildings from the 19th century.  The shops and pubs were all rebuilt in a bout of enthusiasm in the early 20th century, quite a while after Rowe died.

The type of buildings that they would have had,  changed a lot in the late 19th century in a relatively short space of time.     There are many early photos of Gulgong from the 1870s and you can see the sort of crappy buildings they had there.   I posted some links before,  to photos from the university of newcastle collection, I think,  of some photos of pubs in villages near Coolah,  believed to have been taken in 1900.    And you can see online the two-storey pub rebuilt in 1902  and hardly changed since.   So,  there was more change in style between 1870 and 1902,   than in the 112 years since 1902.