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Rabbi moses in Sydney
« on: Sunday 16 November 14 01:38 GMT (UK) »
 I am  beginning  the  task  of putting  my extensive  research  into  the  Rintel  branch  of my
Hart family  into  manuscript  form.  To that end  I am trying to  discover  details of his life  in
Sydney  between  1844 and 1849.  This is what I  know already.
He arrived on the  Lloyds on  14/7/1844  from  London. He had been a reader at  the  Brighton
UK  synagogue,  and he  established the first  Jewish  school  in  Australia.  By  May of  1848
he was  a member of  the Grand Lodge  of the Independent  Order of Oddfellows.  He was
appointed  as the  Jewish  minister  in  Melbourne  on 29/1/1849.  It is  quite  remarkable
that  he did all  this by the age  of 26.  So if anyone can  fill in some of the gaps   it  would
be most  appreciated.  I would  be particularly  interested  in any  connection  to  the  York
St Synagogue  that opened  three months before  his arrival  in  Sydney.

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Re: Rabbi moses in Sydney
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 16 November 14 02:46 GMT (UK) »
As you already have several threads for the RINTEL & HART families I suggest you link them to this thread to save people duplicating information.

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Re: Rabbi moses in Sydney
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 16 November 14 02:51 GMT (UK) »
He is a very interesting man.  I have found references to him relating to the Levy, Pirani and Marks families in Melbourne.  The CDV of him in colour is a very good image.

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Re: Rabbi moses in Sydney
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 16 November 14 04:04 GMT (UK) »
stydgian
             Yes he he certainly was  a major  figure in  Australian Jewish  history.  You  mentioned
 links to  the Levy, Pirani, and  Marks families  in  Melbourne.  The Levy connection  would  not
surprise  me as  His  wife Elvina Hart  was connected  through her mother  to the  Levy  family
in New York , where Elvina was born.  Marks is an old Jewish name  but where  does  Pirani
come In?  I have never heard of them.  Can you enlighten  me ?
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Re: Rabbi moses in Sydney
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 16 November 14 06:20 GMT (UK) »
Henry Cohen Pirani was the son of Benetto Cohen/Cohen Pirani and Reyna Abecassis.  He arrived in Melbourne in the mid 1850's and was a merchant.  He married Louisa Levy in Melbourne.  His brother in law was Hyam Marks (Louisa's sister).  His brother was James Cohen Pirani who married Abigail Davies.

H C Pirani was one of those responsible for establishing the Jewish School in Melbourne; supported the Sephardic Congregation and was a member of Lodge Felix.

He migrated to New Zealand with his family in the 1860's

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Re: Rabbi Moses RINTEL in Sydney 1844-1849
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 16 November 14 08:38 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: ~MERLIN~ on Sunday 16 November 14 02:46 GMT (UK)
As you already have several threads for the RINTEL & HART families I suggest you link them to this thread to save people duplicating information.

May I again list some of those threads

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=645393.0 Jane HART.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=658881.0  Deborah HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=560614.0 Lazarus HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=681337.0 HART family in YASS, NSW
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=609821.0  Mrs HART’s American Ancestors
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=563258.0 RINTEL/HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=587785.0 HART & Co, Melbourne VIC
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=589504.0 HARTs in America
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=554647.0 HARTS in London (Lazarus & Rachel)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=534613.0 American HARTs who emigrated to Australia
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=688474.0 William FORSTER (father of Anne Coxwell Forster)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=540845.0 Dinah HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=631016.0 Lazarus & Rachel HART buried as BIRMINGHAM
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=579764.0 Rachel HART, lost.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=522637.0 Henri John HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=620813.0  Mrs RINTEL nee HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=637249.0 Rachel HART, burial location
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=634963.0 Mrs TARTAKOVAR nee HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=625445.0 Mrs COHEN nee RINTEL, re Mrs Rintel nee HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=587638.0 HARTs of Vic, from India
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=629292.0 ALLEMAND and LUAZAR, re Henry Hyam HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=681309.0 COXWELL re re FORSTER-HOYSTEAD and Wagga
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=588069.0 Lazarus and Rachel HART or BIRMINGHAM 
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=606161.0 RINTEL and HART in Western Australia
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=520187.0 Mrs IRELAND nee HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=519984.0 Ann Norah HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=579708.0 RINTEL and HART in Victoria
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=579751.0 KEELING and a HART connection
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=489520.0 RINTEL and HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=419650.0 MORDECAI and HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=518883.0 GREEN and HART
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=519965.0  Ann Norah GATES
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=519575.0 BEATTIE and HART

Rabbi Moses RINTEL has a posthumous entry in the 1881 Cyclopaedia of Australasia.

ADD, (possibly duplicating this information, but for ease, here's some biographical material)

http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/rintel-moses-4480

Obit Jewish Herald http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/149433760 21 May 1880

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Re: Rabbi Moses RINTEL in Sydney 1844-1849
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 16 November 14 09:08 GMT (UK) »
Peter, perhaps you could modify your topic heading to read Rabbi Moses RINTEL in Sydney 1844-1849.

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Re: Rabbi moses in Sydney
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 16 November 14 09:42 GMT (UK) »
The name Pirani comes from the town of Piran in Slovenia

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Re: Rabbi moses in Sydney
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 16 November 14 09:53 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: pwh on Sunday 16 November 14 01:38 GMT (UK)
He arrived on the  Lloyds on  14/7/1844  from  London.

Without going back over the many threads, may I mention that the passengers on the LLOYDS,  from London 15 March and Portsmouth 28 March 1844 include a Mr and Mrs Hart as well as a Mr Rintel.   

No initials for either the HART or RINTEL passengers, so you would already have additional sources to confirm that the Mr Rintel listed in the following cutting was actually noted as Rabbi Moses RINTEL. 

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/37122601 The Australian 15 Jul 1844

Your post  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=563258.0 reply 10 suggests you are relying on the cutting I have linked above to establish his Sydney arrival.   ??? 

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