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Re: Dineley family, charlton manor
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 08 March 15 22:16 GMT (UK) »
As for George, if his and Samuel's birth details are correct, then there is an obvious discrepancy in the motive for Samuel having any right to inheritance of any Dineley estates - since George was older. However, George's eldest son was not born until 1741 (after the Fraticide), so Samuel may have believed that he would be bestowed the property. I think it is just one small example why the story as portrayed by John Foote some years later may not entirely be relied upon.

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« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 05 September 17 11:20 BST (UK) »
Does anyone have details about the allegation that Samuel Goodere and his older brother John Dinely Goodere each served 6 months (in the same year) as Mayor of Evesham.   Apparently they had a physical fight, with one throwing the other one out of the chair (or out of office).
There is a Jarret Smith on the list of Mayors of Evesham, which is the name of the solicitor in Bristol involved in events immediately prior to Sir John Dinely Goodere's murder.

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« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 05 September 17 11:37 BST (UK) »
Yes I do, but not to hand.

It isn't quite true. From memory, John was elected, but failed to make much of an attendance, so Samuel assumed the position. They had a (another) falling out when fighting over physically sitting in the same chair at a function as they both claimed to be the Mayor.

I will have to go back over my records and post something more comprehensive.

Neil
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« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 05 September 17 17:27 BST (UK) »
The Mayor of Evesham co uk website has photographs of the Mayors of Evesham name boards, with a transcription of dates and names beneath, which show that in 1733 Samuel Goodere was Mayor for the first half, and John Dinely Esq was Mayor for the second half of the year.   I am descended from Samuel Goodere through his daughter Eleanor who married William Wyborn of Shoulden, Kent.


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« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 06 September 17 10:17 BST (UK) »
Sorry I got the election the wrong way around in my previous note.

The original story is outlined by Samuel Foote, the nephew of the two brothers, in his (not always strictly factual) pamphlet "Memoirs of the Life of Sir John Dineley Goodere, Bart.,", but some information from the Historian E.A.B.Barnard from his weekly local history column in the Evesham newspaper published in the first half of the 20th Century matches some of this to Evesham records. My best interpretation of the most likely series of events is,

Samuel had lost his Captaincy in the Navy and was offered the opportunity to get it back from a candidate for the Evesham MP elections in return for getting his brother and father to support the candidate's election (they had considerable influence in the area). Samuel then found out that the candidate was not in a position to do as he promised, so switched his allegiance to a rival candidate. His brother and father, having given their oaths to the first, refused to switch sides, and the three fell out. Samuel resolved to get himself elected Mayor, probably in order to further influence the election, and was duly elected. It seems he got no further success in getting his candidate elected and probably left the area, for he was elected Mayor on 28th August 1733 and was sworn into office on 2nd October. However, records apparently show that, Samuel never sat as Mayor at any of the deliberations of the Council and on 23rd April 1734 John Dineley was sworn in as Mayor. He signed the minutes of a meeting held on the 7th August and remained in office until the following October.

The story of the 'unseating' comes from Foote, but should probably be put in the context of John having been sworn in, due to Samuel's 'not attendance' and Samuel coming back to Evesham and not wanting to accept his eviction. So, on a certain Mayor's Sunday at All Saints Church both brothers led separate parades of their supporters to the church as Mayor. John arrived first, took up position in the Mayor's chair and (after the service started?) Samuel's entourage arrived and Samuel (to quote Foote) " .. ordered his servants, to dethrone Mr. Mayor, which orders were executed": Sir John was removed and the Captain solemnly installed. Further according to Foote, Sir John "... had prudence enough to stifle his resentment and, considering that it was neither a time nor place for wrangleing, sat very contentedly, in an humble place".

Neil
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« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 23 October 18 10:58 BST (UK) »
Hi

I'm trying to trace my family history.
Our family bible has an inscription stating that we are descended from the Gooderes of Burghope, but, until now I have not been able to find a link.

The breakthrough came on a visit to the geni.com website - where someone called 'Wes' claims that the Goodere brothers John & Samuel had a sister called Elizabeth who married a chap called Thomas Spencer (born 1715 in Herefordshire). My Grandfather's name was William Spencer.

This Wes then actually goes on to provide the tree down as far as my mother.

My concern is that I'm not sure I can believe in the existence of this Elizabeth - as I have seen no evidence to back it up. Can anyone help me with that ?

Thanks
Jo

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« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 23 October 18 12:25 BST (UK) »
I’m not aware of any sister with the name Elizabeth. What other information is provided to support the claim? Is there an age, baptism, marriage record, Will etc. that can be reviewed?

I am not saying this wrong, but it can be very easy to put two internet trees together and presume they are two halves of a whole when they are actually entirely separate.

Neil
Dineley, Dyneley, Dingley, Dyngley, Dyngeley, Impey, Honeysett, Innes,

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« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 23 October 18 12:31 BST (UK) »
Samuel Dineley did have a daughter Elizabeth who was born around 1719 and survived into adulthood. However, she is normally attributed as being the same Elizabeth who died a Spinster in 1796. If this attribution is wrong it is possible that it could be the same person, but it may be hard to prove.
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« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 23 October 18 16:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Neil,

Thanks for that - although it was the news I wanted, I was sceptical (I have messaged Wes for clarity).

Yes, I'm also aware of Samuel's daughter Elizabeth. It was a statement that you made in your posting back in Nov '07, that gave me hope, that perhaps Wes might well have located  a non-recorded daughter. You said . . .

In fact there were 6 sons and 3 daughters born to Sir Edward Goodere (Goodier, Goodyere & variations) and Eleanor Dineley.

You didn't mention the girls' names - obviously Eleanor features in much text I have seen, but I just hoped one of the others might have been my Elizabeth   :)

Jo