Dineley family, charlton manor

[Valeriemagan]

There were definitely three sons - an old reliable Google book written by a relative of the Dineley goodere family tells the whole story of the trial of Samuel murdering Sir John, his brother, wherein is just mention of the eldest son (no name) as being killed in a dual. I just cannot find evidence of his name and circumstances of the dual. It would just be nice to find.

[Cherryexile]

Hello,

There are a number of siblings to Sir John Dineley Goodere and Samuel Goodere, the fraticide brothers, but most of them are not mentioned in the various reports of the murder or in subsequent printed pedigrees.

In fact there were 6 sons and 3 daughters born to Sir Edward Goodere (Goodier, Goodyere & variations) and Eleanor Dineley.

The one you are looking for evidence of is Edward Goodere the eldest surviving son at his death, which was probably between June 1702 and September 1706. He was born in Charlton, Worcestershire and baptised in Cropthorne, Worcestershire on the 5th June 1684.

About the only things I have ever found for him is his baptism record and the mention of his death in a duel while serving in the army in Ireland in the fraticide publications. Mostly these are in reference to the promotion of John Goodere to be the heir to the Dineley estate and his subsequent name change to Dineley or Dineley Goodere, as stipulated in his grandfather's Will. However, there is no other contemporary mention of Edward Dineley that I have ever come across.

Neil

[Cherryexile]

For reference, Frances was a girl who married her cousin and died between 1703 and 1706.

The link to the death given earlier was to a Francis who died in 1786, not 1686.

 

[Cherryexile]

Just went back over my notes and Edward Dinely Goodyer is confirmed as a Cornet in Lord Cutts's Regiment of Guards, sometime between 1702 and 1706. Lord Cutts was the Commander in Chief in Ireland from 23rd March 1705.

Neil

[Nickycymru27]

It is believed the son killed in Ireland was Edward. He is not mentioned in the Will because he had already died.
The younger brothers (mentioned in a Will) were John Dineley Goodere, George Goodere, Samuel Goodere and Henry Goodere.   They also had a sister Eleanor, and Samuel had a daughter called Eleanor by his first wife.  This daughter Eleanor married William Wyborn from whom I am descended.

[Nickycymru27]

Edward Dineley Goodere was baptised at Cropthorne, Worcester on 5th June 1684, son of Edward Goodere.  He matriculated Christ church, 27th June 1702 aged 16, which doesn't quite tie in with his baptism date.

[Valeriemagan]

Thank you to cherry exile. I have made further searches in Worcester record office and the sons George and Henry are mentioned in the baptism register. I can find no mention of their deaths. I also found Edward the first son who was killed in Ireland. Do you have any image document you could let me have, mentioning his death in Ireland? I would be so grateful, as I live near Charlton and the story fascinates me.
Regards, Valerie Magan

[Nickycymru27]

Mention of the duel is in a book called Broken Lives by Lawrence Stone, about famous divorces,in the chapter about John Dineley Goodere who was murdered by his brother and my ancestor Samual Goodere.  The son's name isn't given but I guessed it was Edward after his father, grandfather.
George must have died before Samuel otherwise Samuel would not have expected to "inherit" next in line from John Dineley Goodere and John's son or sons (who died young).
I had a quote for copy papers from the National Archives but it was over £1,000 so I didn't go ahead.  I believe they can be viewed free by anyone willing to travel to Kew.
The murder trial /witness statements are easy to find by using a browser.

[Cherryexile]

Henry was the second husband of Grace Bright (nee Lawrence). They had no children that I can find and Henry died in March 1733 and was buried on the 16th in Cropthorne. I don't have a death for George, but by a series of generations of the name George Dinely Goodere I believe there are descendents alive today.

As for Edward's death, there is no record (that I have found) of a burial, so I presume it must have been in Ireland (if that is where the duel and death took place), but Edward was not mentioned as an heir in the tail of his father's Baronetcy when he succeeded to such on 5th December 1707, so must have been dead by then.

A lot of the stuff I have is either originals or copies of the various Fraticide descriptions or photocopies of documents from various archives, rather than digital copies. However, since you are familiar with Evesham then the Barnard Collection in Evesham Library is a good place to start; he collected some lovely peripheral information to the whole Dineley/Dingley family as well as the Gooderes. Equally the 'Broken Lives' book is a pretty comprehensive coverage of the murder itself (it is always available on e-Bay) and in particular the eratic John Dinely. Samuel Goodere isn't very well covered in either, nor is John Dinely's wife.